xerox 510 or oce' tds 400- must decide asap-

hello all-

our eng. office is opening a repro- shop and i have been researching our
copier options- it will be the tds 400 or the xerox 510-

i was sold on the oce' until the last minute when the xerox guy called-
turns out the 510 will scan to file in color! does more sheets per minute in
base form(5 vs. 3.5), and can have the sheets perminute increased to 5 or 10
ppm with just a password- the 510 will be about 1000-1500 dollars more than
the oce' but it looks like it would be worth it. the cost per sheet of the
consumables is also alot less- of course that is per xerox's literature- but
the number matched the oce' info i recieved

Consumables Cost Assumptions
8850 510 TDS
600 TDS 400
Toner Cost $218.50 $218.50 $290.00
$290.00
Yield (Sq Ft) 23,400 23,400 12,400
15,000
Toner Cost/Sq Ft $0.00934 $0.00934 $0.02339
$0.01933
Developer Cost NA NA $455.00
$455.00
Yield (Sq Ft) NA NA 113,400
150,000
Developer Cost/Sq Ft 0 0 $0.004012
$0.003033

Total Cost/Sq Ft $0.00934 $0.00934 $0.02740
$0.02237

please comment- i have until thursday afternoon to decide-

thank you very much-

jjd

 

oops=

the page width demons got me- well the far right column is shifted down and
over to the left-

the botom line is the xerox is less that half as much per sq. ft. per plot

jjd

 

The info you have is based on company literature which will always put
the companys product in its best light. Have you talked to other
owners in the area? What about service? Is the tech local to the area?
Are they competent?
Have you test driven these printers yet? You know most dealers offer a
try before you buy so you can see for yourself. Talk to colleagues and
even competition in your area and get their opinion.

Good luck.

Ed

 

dropping topic on floor.....

hollow sounding echo.......

hello... is anybody out there?

thanks

jjd

 

Well I'd be happy to offer up my somewhat biased opinion... I prefer the
Oce. I have the TDS 600 here and it's been a great machine. I have heard
that that Xerox machines require more frequent cleanings.. requiring service
calls. The Oce 400 has a slower output, but from what I remember, higher
quality than the 600. (been perfectly happy with the print quality of our
600... so I imagine the 400 is superb)

Yes the Xerox can scan to file in color.. for an additional charge. (and
the Oce does not currently have that ability)

We had much older Xerox copy machines which were a nightmare. (but these
were much older models)

Sorry, seemed like you were desperate for some input. Hope mine helps.

 

hey it was better than all of the others- 8^)

well with the scan to color option the xerox is $1700 more than the tds 400-
not bad-

the monthly service charges include the tone from xerox- oce's charges
extra-

it looks like it will be the xerox- i just can't deny the expandability,
color scanning, lower cost of consumables- and they even have great paper
prices- ? go figure.

thanks

jjd

 

Can't say I blame you... it does look like a tempting offer.

Sounds like you're sold.. but a small thing first.. you can find the Oce
toner a bit cheaper than you were quoted.. I think I pay about 140 per box
of 2 bottles. Minor factor.. but worth mentioning. Paper-wise.. they can
use the same media I believe.. just depends on who your supplier is. We've
been using the same rolls we formerly ordered for our Xerox.

Good luck with the big buy! Isn't it nerve-wracking??

 

We have the 510dp with the color option and upgraded speed on the plotter.
Needs 220v with the upgraded speed option.

I think they also have an option for upgrading the speed on the scanner
also.

We've been very happy, but it does take up a big chunk of floor space.

 

while it is not directly my money- it is still a big decision- i have to
live with for the next 5 years or so

we are stull looking for a good paper price-

thanks for the toner hint-

oce' had a deal that if you tradein and old plotter you got 6 boxes of
toner- but i really did not want to get into that-

later
jjd

 

When we bought ours about 10 months ago.. there was 20 boxes of toner
included. That was nice... then we saw how much they cost.. eep! Good
luck!

 

is it the scanner that takes up the space? it lookes like it might have a
large "tray habging off of the back of it to catch the prints?

our space will be about 24'x22'- we need to fit the 510, another std. format
xerox macine, and 2 internet terminal computers- althought i may employ one
of them to help with plot file storage...

thanks for the 220 volt tip- i will need to account for that-

how had the macine been as far as reliability?

thank you very much for any input

jjd

 

The tray that hangs on the back of the scanner is about 4' wide x 3'deep.

The tray on the front of the plotter is approx the same size. We opted
for the heavy duty output tray on the plotter. It has it's own little motor
the runs little rubber wheels on the tray which help to stack the paper,
plus it holds a lot of paper.

There are a ton of options for the 510dp. They are activated with "feature
keys" downloaded from their web site.

We can scan to PDF, but cannot send it to the plotter with their software
because we didn't get the postscript option. (another "feature key").
Although we can send them using the regular Adobe Acrobat program.

We have had very few issues with the scanner/plotter. But the motorized
output tray on the plotter has been jamming paper occasionally.

 

cool- well i guess i will see for real in about 2-3 weeks-

thanks

jjd

 

so- buckwheat-

what is the time to plot on that 510? does it require a long warm up?

thanks

jjd

 

ed-

i di not ignore your post- i just did not get it- i saw it when i googles
the xerox 510 in groups-

thanks for the thoughts- i realized that the info was skewed a bit- but
after all of the other research it seems to be a good deal- there is another
place in the area that has on older model and are very happy with it-

we are in a remote area sort of- about 1.5 hours away from the big city-

jjd

 

Scanner has a short warm up ...... maybe a minute.

Plotter warmup depends on how far into hibernation it's gone.

First thing in the morning .... approx 5 - 6 minutes

during the day between plots .... maybe 2 minutes

you can set the times to whatever works better.

Most options on this, we can set via the internet browser
pointing to it's internal LAN IP Address. It's on our network.

It does have this annoying habit (at least for us) of telling
us that the toner is out. We usually just open the back
door of the plotter and close it again to reset it.

 

Sorry to hijaak the thread, but..

Andy,

You mention you are running the TDS 600. We just got one.

There is one thing I want to do that has been a lot of trouble:
We are using PrintExecLT in order to print multiple drawing
sets from plt files. I would like to plot half scale drawings
from the same plts. When I attempt this using a 50% scale
factor in PrintExecLT, it crashes the controller. I have tried
many different things including odd configurations suggested
by our dealer. Any ideas from your end?

Terry

 

cool-

well we just faxed off the paperwork to get it- so we shall see what
happens-

thanks for all the tips-

jjd