I've never seen "thru all" used as a callout before SW started doing it in with hole wizard. Is this some kind of ansi or other standard? I've also noticed that for some reason it's calling out just "thru" on some holes and thru all with others. Up to next seems to get called out as "THRU", all the time. I like how the prefix callout works with multiple holes. i.e. "2X M8 DRILL THRU" except, I don't like having the "DRILL" word in there. Is have having the word "DRILL" some kind of standard? How do they know it's not "MILL THRU"? To get rid of the "DRILL" I right click, display options, define by geometry, and it gets rid of the word "DRILL" but it also eliminates the nice 2X prefix. Anyone have any luck with tapped holes callouts working with mirrored parts? They don't seem to work for me. Been detailing a lot of mirrored parts with tapped holes lately and what a pain to have to manually type in tapped callouts. Then when you change something, the callouts have to be manually changed. It must be what they call manual parametric? Just trying to find the logic here is all. I hope the automatic detailing features in 2005 improve on hole wizard a lot. Jay