Why no NURBS in SW

Your really have a great sense of imagination.

Care to point out where the ISO standard for "hybrid modeling"
or "hack and whack modeling" can be found ???

Or... Is it more like we must all except *your definitions*
as the definitive definitions.

LOL

:>)

jon

 

Thanks, but no bs or ideology pushing on my examples, just reality from
actually using 3D modeling tools and making product with those 3D tools
for 15 years.

And you?.... maybe you could run a iso demo CD and spin cycle in your
moshposh hack and whack hybrid demo philosophy then cut/paste articles
from other companies and promote them as if they were always your
ideas?
Nevermind, you do that all the time, my bad.

Now, please go away.

...

 

Thanks

Always glad to help. ;>)

jon

 

So because I use another program that proves what? notice that i said
99%....which if you do the math means that there is a 1% open to do
something outside of SW. WOW did you see that...logic that makes sense.
OMG...I think I am going to sheit my pants because hopefully I am starting
to get through that warpped brain of yours...Jon.

So by your logic...a hack and wack programs that tried to do too much of
everything and falls short of anything?

Now as a solid modeler, SW is and has been head and hands above the rest.
Now rather than resting on just that, they decided to implement some new
functionality into the progra... Surfacing. Heaven forbid they try to
implement something new. In your world they should only do one thing and be
happy with that . They should never make any chnages. So I ask you this,
Jon, why not try to something new? What is wrong with the company adding in
something that their customers have asked for? Did they get 100% of it
right? maybe not. Have they made progress towards making the features
better, most definately.

Why dont you show me a program that offers as much as SW for the same price
point that is a better so called "hybrid" modeler. Remember that they have
to offer EVERYTHING that SW does, and has gives me exactly what you say SW
does wrong. (and if you say think3, I will kick you in the azz all the way
from over here in NY)

When did SW say that their only competition is Autodesk? If that was said,
more than likely it was by some marketer trying to hype the program. I
challenge you to find the top 3 companies. Find out who is selling the most
seats world wide. See who comes out on top. Here let me help you out....
Pro/E, IV, SE, SW, Rhino, and Alias. If I missed one, you let me know.

 

just out of interest why would you need nurbs in solidworks

 

Mike,

Just for the record Parasolid is based on NURBS math, so you already have
them.

What you don't have is the ability to manipulate individual (or groups) of
the control points that drive the shape.

This function is most usefull in designing curvy industrial shapes. If all
you do is mechanical design, you would (most likely) never have a use for
it.

Regards

Mark

 

Paul,

You can't reason with a lunatic. Turn on your kill filter.
The only time I see posts from JB or CH is when somebody "credible" gets into a debate with them.

Ken B.

 

If you want Nurbs to play with then you should look at www.baren-boym.com
Shapeworks

Regards,
Scott

 

"So because I use another program that proves what? notice
that i said 99%....which if you do the math means that there
is a 1% open to do something outside of SW. WOW did you see
that...logic"

What I see is someone (you) who has numerous problems with
SolidWorks and out of frustration keeps posting about those
problems in this newsgroup. What I see is you having to
depend more and more on something like Rhino to get the job
done.

"So by your logic...a hack and wack programs that tried to
do too much of everything and falls short of anything?

Hack and whack means that surface and solid tools are not
properly integrated and that the approach to modeling is often
awkward to use and frequently requires bizarre and non-
intuitive methods to get the job done.

A seamless, unified, hybrid modeler is just the opposite.

"Now as a solid modeler, SW is and has been head and hands
above the rest. Now rather than resting on just that, they
decided to implement some new functionality into the
progra... Surfacing"

Creating a solid only modeler has now proven to be absolutely
the wrong way to approach to take.

UG .... seamless, unified, hybrid.
CATIA .... seamless, unified, hybrid.
VX's Vision... seamless, unified, hybrid.

"Heaven forbid they try to implement something new. In your
world they should only do one thing and be happy with that .
They should never make any chnages."

Proof ???

Care to quote me where I have said anything to backup what
you state above ????

LOL

"Why dont you show me a program that offers as much as SW
for the same price point that is a better so called "hybrid"
modeler. Remember that they have to offer EVERYTHING that SW
does, and has gives me exactly what you say SW does wrong.
(and if you say think3, I will kick you in the azz all the
way from over here in NY)"

I have many times.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't force him to drink. :>)

At this point my sincerest hope it that you stay with
SolidWorks and keep getting more and more frustrated. I like
to see posts from SolidWorks users who have had enough.
IMO, very helpful in getting the needed changes. The more
the better.

"When did SW say that their only competition is Autodesk?"

Try using Google and reading the pasts posts to this
newsgroup or reading something like UpFronteZine

Hope this helped,

jon

 

Jon, I posted once in another group....read...ONE TIME.... I had a question.
OMG heaven forbid I post a question.

Nothing is perfect. You act like there is some program that is perfect and
has no problems what so ever. If there is one you show me. UG and CATIA are
NOT IN THE SAME PRICE RANGE as SW.

Proof???? Everytime you post is proof of that you are trying to poke a hole
in SW. What I and everyone else dont understand is that if you dont like the
program DONT POST HERE. Stop trying to get others to feel like you. The
reason why ppl post here is so that we can discuss problems and figure out a
possible solution. I would say that 85% of the time there is an answer. Is
it always convient, not always. Does it work...yes.

 

Everytime you post is proof of that you are trying to poke a hole

Is it necessary to try and "poke a hole" in something that already
leaks like a sieve ?

Isn't the idea to fix the holes ?

BTW, how about giving thinkdesign / thinkshape a try ? I think
you might like it. ;>)

jon

 

when we do industrial design curvy we use alias studio tools which

Who's cliff ?

jon

 

hey thanks for that i use solidworks primarily for mechanical design
which is what it is pretty good at when we do industrial design curvy
we use alias studio tools which i was told was the best surfacer out
there

that was really the reasoning for the question why would you need
nurbs in solidworks solidworks from what ive seen is not an a class
surfacing app so why use it as such

cliff really does make me lol i read his posts and think hes verging
on genius

 

Mike,

The biggest problem with using a surface styling program, for product
design, is that you can't complete the "whole" design with it. Things like
bosses, ribs, mechanical attacments, etc, are impractical in such systems
for many reasons. Whether you use Alias or Rhino for styling, you still have
to import the shape data into another system to complete it. This breaks the
continuity of the data, and makes many things (like design changes) clumsy
and hard to manage.

Ideally, you want to use the same system for all phases of a design. This is
why so many people are asking for this capability inside SW.


Regards

Mark

 

Cliff,
Not to rain on your unemployed parade Cliff but we established that
you have also never bought any CAM software in alt.machines.cnc. You
were an aerospace worker who rode the US Governments gravy train for a
long time before you became unemployed. If you are gonna dish BS out
about other people, be prepared to hear the truth back about yourself.
What part of what I just said NOT true?
You whine is so damned old by now Cliff. PLEASE, get some new material.
Michael
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Michael Gailey
Artistic CNC Mill, Router and Engraver Programming
3D modeling for Product Design and Development
http://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm

 

Jon re-read this again. You ignorant fool

I dont need to know any more about your think3 sales pitch, I have seen
it,tried it, and it is not for me. The experience that I had with the
company
left such a bad taste in my mouth that I would rather go back to drafting
than use it. They offered me a trial version of the program for 3 months and
after the 3 months they wanted to charge me for it, even though I told them
that I did not want to use it. The next month I see a charge on the credit
card from them. Will not get into specifics but damm short of flying to CA
to beat their azz, is alomost what it took to get them to give me the $$$
back.

Now cut the shit and stay out of this. You dont like SW, you dont contribute
positively to the NG so stay the hell out. There is no reason for you to
post.

 

into a debate with them.

+1

 

Jon re-read this again. You....

I stopped right about here. :>)

Your really should try thinkdesign / thinkshape, Art.

I think you will love it !

jon

 

The best you can do is filter and ignore them. Of course, you still get the
echoes unless everyone joins in but it really does take the edge off.

My guess is that the guy simply has nothing better to do with his time.
Cliff too. They live to see their own posts and peoples' reactions to them.
Can you imagine investing this much time posting to a NG for a product that
you don't even use? These guys have serious problems. Obsessive, useless,
and pathetic.

JJ

 

Since becoming unemployed/unemployable some years ago, your ONLY
purpose in life is to antagonize people that you feel comfortable
picking on. Typical TROLL behavior.
FWIW folks, Cliff is a current Win95 power user.
Michael

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Michael Gailey
Artistic CNC Mill, Router and Engraver Programming
3D modeling for Product Design and Development
http://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm