(set p2 (vlax-safearray->list (vlax-variant-value (vlax-get-property detBub 'InsertionPoint)))) detBub is a block. If I run this: (vlax-safearray->list (vlax-variant-value (vlax-get-property detBub 'InsertionPoint))) the 3d point is displayed, but I can't setq it as p2. What am I missing? Thanks! kemp