What is the best tool to perform computation?

Discussion in 'AutoCAD' started by samhng, Nov 12, 2004.

  1. samhng

    samhng Guest

    I am a newcomer to the realm of CAD/CAM and willingly to understand the
    rules of this field as soon as possible. I think most of the CAD
    packages concentrate on graphical task, but what about numerical
    computations? Typically those "what-if" problems.
    What kind of softwares are suitable for this purpose? Thx!
     
    samhng, Nov 12, 2004
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  2. samhng

    Sporkman Guest

    Not sure whether you're really talking about determininng theoretical
    "fit" between parts, or about statistical process control methods for
    determining fit, about determining structural strength or thermal or
    fluid dynamics based on 3D CAD models, or about mathematical models that
    solve problems like in optics or for wave propagation/deflection, etc.,
    or more about how to reverse engineer complex geometry. If the former,
    then SolidWorks gives you the tools to determine proper geometry for
    very complex fit scenarios -- including semi-automated interference
    checking -- although it won't tell you how much actual clearance you
    have. The "Measure" tool has to suffice for much of that, but you can
    easily create a model of one part BASED ON another part, with offsets
    for sketches upon which features are based. You can even offset
    features/surfaces to create new derived and dependent parts and
    assemblies. And those capabilities allow one to define accurate
    theoretical clearances, although real-world clearances have to be
    determined based upon knowledge of manufacturing process and achievable
    tolerances.

    Of course statistical process control methodology and SPC softwares
    (that are definitely separate from SolidWorks and other 3D MCAD
    software) are used extensively in industry to determine what is
    achievable and how to refine processes and designs for achievability.
    There is SOME software available as add-ons to 3D CAD programs to help
    determine proper tolerancing to help ensure fit for 2D CAD drawings
    generated from 3D models of parts, but mostly engineers just rely upon
    their own understanding of processes and proper tolerancing to create
    drawings that have a high probability of resulting in good parts.

    Finite Element Analysis (FEA) for strength and thermal / fluid dynamic
    analysis for heat transfer and flow optimization are handled by separate
    softwares that may be integrated into a 3D CAD environment or may take
    output from the 3D CAD software for use in independent computation.

    For physics including things like optics, wave propagation/deflections,
    etc., and other theoretical computational mathematics most engineers use
    software such as MatLab, Mathematica, FEMLAB and some others.

    Reverse engineering complex geometry is mostly the domain of
    sophisticated hardware (like CMC and laser scanning equipment) which
    generate large amounts of data obtained from objects, which in turn is
    imported into and analyzed with sophisticated softwares which are
    complementary to (but separate from) 3D MCAD applications. As with FEA
    and thermal or fluid dynamic analysis softwares, some of that is written
    to be integral to a particular 3D CAD environment, and some of it simply
    outputs data that can be imported into the 3D CAD softwares.

    Does that answer your question?

    Mark 'Sporky' Stapleton
    Watermark Design, LLC
    www.h2omarkdesign.com
     
    Sporkman, Nov 12, 2004
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  3. samhng

    samhng Guest

    Thanks a lot, Sporkman. But I still have some questions to expand. For
    example, I want to figure out the maximum volume of a conical machinery
    unit which the height and the area of the bottom face are the given
    arguments? By what means or what kind of tools engineers usually use?
    And after your expanation, I have a strong interest about the ecosystem
    of a CAD design procedure. As you metioned above, a lot of different
    softwares involve along a project. Usually engineers will have what
    weapons to comprise their arsenal?
    SolidWorks+Mathematica+Ansys+3DS+....?

    Thanks agian!
     
    samhng, Nov 12, 2004
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  4. samhng

    samhng Guest

    Thanks a lot, Sporkman. But I still have some questions to expand. For
    example, I want to figure out the maximum volume of a conical machinery
    unit which the height and the area of the bottom face are the given
    arguments? By what means or what kind of tools engineers usually use?
    And after your expanation, I have a strong interest about the ecosystem
    of a CAD design procedure. As you metioned above, a lot of different
    softwares involve along a project. Usually engineers will have what
    weapons to comprise their arsenal?
    SolidWorks+Mathematica+Ansys+3DS+....?

    Thanks agian!
     
    samhng, Nov 12, 2004
    #4
  5. samhng

    David Janes Guest

    : I am a newcomer to the realm of CAD/CAM and willingly to understand the
    : rules of this field as soon as possible. I think most of the CAD
    : packages concentrate on graphical task, but what about numerical
    : computations? Typically those "what-if" problems.

    Pro/e has Behavioral Modelling, meant exactly to deal with modelling 'what if'
    problems. This function of Pro/e is used extensively to setup and run design
    studies for optimizing designs by a set of parametric (usually numerical)
    criteria. You can begin with a Sensitivity Analysis to see which of parameters has
    the greatest, which the least impact on the desired outcome. You can then proceed
    with a Feasibility/Optimization analysis which takes your design goals and varies
    the parameters, incrementally, within prescribed limits, to test either
    feasibility or to optimize the design. This can be done in conjunction with
    Mechanism Design to vary models and test their effect on a mechanism or in
    conjunction with Mechanica to test changes of part configuration on
    loading/stress, for example. And finally BMX allows you to conduct Multi-Objective
    Design Studies which lets you set up several goals and chart to solution of each
    plus make comparisons between them, IOW, several optimizations simultaneously. In
    both optimization analyses and MODS, the results can be used to modify the models
    according to the optimized results, including when done in conjunction with MDX or
    Mechanica.

    David Janes
     
    David Janes, Nov 13, 2004
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  6. samhng

    Ben Bradley Guest

    In comp.cad.solidworks, comp.cad.autocad, comp.cad.pro-engineer, On 12
    There is a formula for that or something similar: redo the
    area-of-a-circle formula to get the radius of the bottom face, the CRC
    Math Tables book likely has a formula for cone volume given radius and
    heigth. If you study enough math (perhaps it's spelled maths where you
    are), especially through calculus, you should be able to derive such a
    formula yourself.
    You can also do this numerically, and probably some programs will
    do this for you for arbitrary shapes, but if an exact formula can be
    used, it's the preferred method (at least by me), though on second
    thought I'd use both methods to be sure they agree.
     
    Ben Bradley, Nov 15, 2004
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  7. samhng

    uNkulunkulu Guest

    : I am a newcomer to the realm of CAD/CAM and willingly to understand the
    : rules of this field as soon as possible. I think most of the CAD
    : packages concentrate on graphical task, but what about numerical
    : computations? Typically those "what-if" problems.
    : What kind of softwares are suitable for this purpose? Thx!
    :

    If you want numerical computations, write a program or procedure using the
    required formulae in VB or Delphi or any other high level language and compile
    to a .exe file.


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    uNkulunkulu, Nov 15, 2004
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  8. How does precision vary with language used & OS?
     
    Cliff Huprich, Nov 16, 2004
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  9. samhng

    stephen Guest

    Use the Solver function in Excel.

    Stephen
     
    stephen, Nov 17, 2004
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