Visual Basic .NET Standard 2003

I found this for less than $100. Will it work for all my Autocad needs or is it a stripped down useless educational version? The next one up is Visual Studio which is close to 10 times the price.

I want to upgrade from VBA so I can distribute programs in a DLL instead of the DVB.

Thanks in advance.

 

If you are serious about programming, you'd better go to at leat
Professional version, the so-called standard verision, IMO, mainly is for
learning.

Another thing you must realize, if you do not have enough knowledge/skills
on .NET Framework:

Acad VBA is COM technology while .NET is entirely a different thing, meaning
VB5/6 is totally different from VB.NET, although the syntex look similar.
So, if you have Acad VBA experience not do not know well (or not at all)
about MS .NET platform, you may want to get VB5/6, instead of VB.NET. .NET
dll IS NOT COM dll, it cannot be used directly in Acad VBA, unless you know
how to make .NET dll a COM interface (it is easy if you know .NET, though).
The point is the way you programming in .NET is quite different from the way
you do in Acad VBA/VB6.

is it a stripped down useless educational version? The next one up is
Visual Studio which is close to 10 times the price.

 

I'm told that you don't need to use the framework of .net when programming
in VB .net 2003. ?? I don't know how though. I think that if you need VB
6.0 now though. you will have to buy the new version (2003 .net), then
purchase a downgrade.

Matthew

 

Bad info. All the .NET languages require the Microsoft .NET Framework.

 

Does anyone have an example of a program written in vb.NET 2003 and loaded
into acad 2005 with the NETLOAD command?
Even a hello world type deal would help.
I just want to know which references/includes are essential

thanks

 

Bad info. All the .NET languages require the Microsoft .NET Framework.
So then Is code I wrote in VB5.0 a .NET language? If I wanted to import
that code into VB.net I could not compile it to be used in AutoCAD? Maybe
import is not the right word. All I would like to do is simply recompile
it. Is that possible?

Thanks for the info
Matthew

 

No, VB5/6 is not .NET language

Whether VB5/6 code can be converted to VB.NET with some tool (VB.NET has a
migration wizard) well depends on what is the code. Most likely, you are
going to be re-writing, other than converting/importing, because the
approach used in .NET and pre-.NET is quite different. You solve a problem
in VB5/6 in a way, while you could do it in .NET rather differently,
although the final effect may be the same. From my experience, I almost
always rewrite when I do things in .NET, although I did the same thing
previously in VB5/6. The point is, VB5/6 -> VB.NET (more accurately, ->.NET
platform, 'cause which language in .NET is not important), is not natural
upgrade. You can almost lose your memory on VB5/6, and start learning .NET,
and you must first learn enough about .NET, then decide which to use (VB5/6
or .NET) as your Acad programming platform.

 

Hello? Are we awake yet?

AutoDesk has released 27 versions of its software since the National
Science Foundation deregulated the Internet for commercial use in
1991 -- 15 YEARS AGO.

The big question is when this company is going to release software
that its customers can use to build and integrate the editing environment,
drawings, assets, and one another via the Internet and its protocols so
we as customers can be as successful as our hard work and motivation
can make possible.

Using the .NET Framework can make this possible and while the
drafting features of the software has been improved significantly AutoDesk
can not deny that have a demonstrable history of compromising the
customers for the last 15 years and 27 releases of its software when the
subject is related to the context of extensibility, integration and
interoperability: the big 3 of genuine productivity.

The only thing I am expecting from AutoDesk is more of the same as
they continue to take customer's money to finance their global aspirations
which include providing software to Communist China and other nations
that are not America's friends.

So, in effect, we are financing our own failure not to mention financing
a company that is assisting others to destroy America.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development
Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA
NET csgallagher@ REMOVETHISTEXT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

 

Would you be willing to pay higher prices to offset revenue lost as the
result of marketing to a smaller demographic?

<rolleyes>

 

This sounds vaguely political??? Anyone agree?

They already have a product to do a lot of what you're seeking here. You
are welcome to purchase the OEM version of the software and integrate almost
anything your heart desires. As for the internet protocols, it seems to me
that over the years Autodesk has been actively working towards this goal.
Slowly it seems at times but still...

Even the internet wasn't a flip of a switch to get people on it. Even still
today there are those who wrestle more and more with security over the
internet, speeds in different geographic locations, VPN's, and system
integration between different companies thoughout the world (sorry, I know I
left a bunch out here).

As for hard work, most of us try to use the tools we have today and look
forward to tomorrow being active in the alpha and beta testing so we can
influence what the next releases will be like.

They are still in front of the competitors in integrating .NET into their
products. .NET is a big change, even for those who have been programming
for a while. Who knows, maybe one day AutoCAD will be all built on C# just
like the .NET suite is now.

Most people in the US are patriots. But we can't be self-centered all the
time. When it comes to business and industry we don't have 100% of the
resources we used to have (pre-WW's). It only makes sense to reach out to
other contries and trade but in so doing we cannot cripple ourselves by
being reliant 100% for our critical needs.

As for industries using AutoCAD, at least from a business stand point, if
the market is saturated in the US you look elswhere for the sales. Autodesk
is a publicly traded company and in such the shareholders ultimately decide
where the company goes in the future. As for China, it's a big market and
they aren't the first to try to get in for sales. Remeber, the goal for
most companies it to make money. It's the responsibility of the management
to the shareholders.

There's obviously more to this than meets the eye ;-) but I think I said
enough already... lol.

 

Hi Anne,

Would it be feasible to remove this non-technical politically inflammatory
gibberish from the discussion ?

--


Laurie Comerford
CADApps
www.cadapps.com.au

<snip>

 

You do realise this is not an American only newsgroup and your last comments are offensive to some people like me.

Regards - Nathan (Australian)

 

After 15 years and 27 releases of the software it is *all* about
AutoDesk corporate policy that does *not* allow customers to
use the software *technically.*

That AutoDesk is doing this on a geo-political basis is reality.

I doubt anything you or Fräulein Brown can do to censor these
observations can change the growing trend of awareness as they
are not unique to me or to AutoDesk.

-
<%= Clinton Gallagher
A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development
Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA
NET csgallagher@ REMOVETHISTEXT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

 

Roll those eyes all you want but you can't explain one instance where
an American corporation doing business geo-politically has ever
lowered its prices can you? When has AutoDesk ever lowered prices?
Did I miss something?

Wake up Frank. W'ere already paying higher prices. Who do you
think financed AutoDesk's entry into the EU whose nations are opposed
to America and who do you think will finance AutoDesk's entry into
Communist China? Oops -- that announcement is not official yet
and there are no plans to release AutoCAD in Mandarin Chinese. Right?

But that can all be made to sound off-topic unless one can understand
its relevance to the use of the .NET Framework and how it will or will
not be allowed to be used or not used by AutoDesk policy.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development
Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA
NET csgallagher@ REMOVETHISTEXT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

 

What's political about the facts?

Actively? Slowly? Hardy Har Har.

That's the point. Do you want to finance AutoDesk's entry into Communist
China or to continue to assist the EU to undermine America's economies
while we still can't even use the products to compete globally ourselves?

That seems to be apparent but which functionality is being provided to
customers -- how lame will corporate policy impose itself -- and at what
additional expense to those who have already paid to license using the products?

No, most people in the US are not patriots. The people of the US have been
compelled to become paytriots. Do you understand the distinction?

I really have no problem with globalized competition or entry into new
markets but how can anybody compete when the competition is
a fraud?

How come 'we' can not create new markets of our own?

Because AutoDesk has corrupt corporate policies that like new
advances in software languages and related technologies must
also change.

 

Why would they lower prices when the market can bear what they're charging?
Restrict their sales to North America only and I guarantee those prices will
go up. It's simple economics.

Autodesk ships a managed .NET API with the freely downloadable AutoCAD 2005
ObjectARX API.

Not only that, Envision is managed code and offers a managed API.

Your rant sounds far more off-topic now than than before, does it not?

 

Financing my a$$ !!

AutoCAD is being used in a productive enviroment that is making us money. !!
We are not financing anybody to destroy anything !!
We are being successful using this "tool". !!

Quit smoking that stuff man, it ain't doing you no good !!

 

What do you think these "enemies of America" are going to do Clinton - *draw* you to death?

Regards

Wayne (also Australian)

 

It's Mrs. Brown, Clinton, and politics do not have a place on a
VBA discussion group. Please take those elsewhere on the interet.
Any future discussion on this topic will be removed.

 

You don't need to spend anything! While to visual studio tools help, all
you need to start is to download the .NET Framework and .NET Dev kit both
FREE from Microsoft. Then download SharpDevelop which is a FREE IDE for
VB.NET and C#.

SharpDevelop has a few sharp edges, but its free and will work great to
develop GUIs. For the source code, you can use something as simple as
notepad since the vb & c# compilers are free.

-- Mike
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