Vista DRM & Swks...?

Given that Vista has been written, DES encrypted internatlly for signed
approved drivers and hardware with very tight limits on anything that
appears to be 'not normal', down to checking data streams every 30
milliseconds, I truly have to wonder if SolidWorks on a Vista PC is
going to take a big speed hit?

If you read the following article, you will get a flavor of just how
restrictive and punishing the Microsoft requirements are on PC makers
and software application engineers, and how that might translate into
degraded or non-operating functions on PCs.

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt

Vista is for the biggy audio-video mega-corporation's benefits, and
definately not for the technical user.

For me, give me VISTA without the opportunity to run Blue-Ray & HighRes
DVD super-duper stuff and audio codecs, and let me run SolidWorks on a
FAST MACHINE THAT DOESN'T CRASH.

Bo

 

So will people not rush out and use Vista for the same supposed reason
they don't rush out and use Linux or Mac? What I am talking about is
compatibility. When the newest version of Windows becomes incompatible
with the previous versions of Windows from either a software
application or hardware standpoint does that not open the market up to
alternative operating systems like MacOS or Linux?

 

Yeah, I don't know how compatable Linux is going to be with Solidworks
2007 and I'm not exactly hip to the idea of stopping work while I wait
for SW to come out with a RedHat or OS X version. I'm going to have to
sit tight on XP and hope Vista doesn't screw me by way of the people I
do business with.

 

XP is the last Windows OS for our company. Over the last three years
we've converted all business applications (except accounting and CAD)
to Linux. I sincerely hope SolidWorks is probing a port to an open
system.

 

"we've converted all business applications to Linux." = smart.

Even a tech heavy Windows user is likely to be unable to skin down
non-essential functions in Vista so that you can get rid of all the
cycle hogs that slow down the CPUs.

To me, that means CAD is going to have to start supporting one or more
of the NIXes.

Virtualization has now allowed users to run native with what they need,
and turn on a Virtual OS as needed, even if it isn't quite as fast as
native.

Pure engineering dollars and sense.

Bo

 

I'm trying to find out from my VAR if the next version of SW will run
on XP. If not, I'm not going to renew my subscription/maintenance. SW
is the only reason that I have any version of Windows. Everything else
runs on Linux...and has since 1998. I too wish that SW would port to
any version of *NIX. And I'd gladly give up all the drag and drop junk
that is in SW. I rarely use it as I'd rather know that the features
that I'm creating are what I expect them to be and that they will
behave how I want them to behave.

 

Amen Again. SolidWorks President's long term binoculars ought to be
focusing on what users are going to tolerate, given the mess Windows
has stuck users with over the last half decade.

With Vista set to constantly look for fraudulent audio and video and
photos like a damn FBI agent in your computer, I can say that is
definately NOT WHAT I WANT FOR SOLIDWORKS USE, DAMMIT!

In business, I will bet more than 50% of the PC owners don't want a
CD/DVD drive in their average user's PC, and for the people running
mission critical stuff, they don't want 50 applications running and
slowing down the key application, and certainly not malware crap of the
last 5 years.

The pressure will be on to get PCs with an OS which has JUST WHAT THE
NEED REQUIRES.

Bo

 

Interesting comment about the 50 applications running. I use SW on two
different computers. One is at my day job, the other nights and
weekends. The computer at my day job has a better graphics card and
faster processor. Both are SW2006SP4.0. Both are XP64 with 64 bit SW.
The computer at home is much faster on virtually all files/features.
The huge difference is all the junk that has to run on the work
machine. It is connected to the internet, so has a firewall, AV,
network admin stuff, Windows update, etc. ad naseum running. The one
at home has nothing but SW running. A lot faster. Based on what I've
read, with Vista, there will be no choice. Tons of DRM/encription
always running, and if the PC can't phone home, it will eventually be
crippled. Yuk.

 

I do not think most companies or users yet grasp what Microsoft and the
large entertainment industry efforts @ DRM & "Trusted Computing"
(Trusted Crippling?) are going to bring with the most wonderful
"Vista".

I see no way of moving to Vista myself.

Bo

ed_1001 wrote:
with Vista, there will be no choice. Tons of DRM/encription
always running, and if the PC can't phone home, it will eventually be
crippled. Yuk.

 

JRB, you noted "> sit tight on XP and hope Vista doesn't screw me by
way of the people I

I'm currently on a 2gb vista test machine and it's going into swap all
the time. 2gb is really not enough... it's dog slow due to the
swapping.

Add to that:

S...L...O...W... I mean this is a dual processor 64bit machine and it's
slower than the celeron running XP next to it.

Running about 50% of available software switches aeroglass off.
Sometimes it doesn't come back on without a reboot.

Bo

 

And then I run XGL on a three year old laptop with a 2Ghz Pentium IV,
512Mb and ATI Mobility and it flies.