Vista - 2007 - 2008, help with migration

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by mauricio.trindade, Mar 19, 2008.

  1. Hi,

    Today we have all workstations with SW 2007 SP4.0 and SP5.0 with
    Windows XP.

    I'm considering upgrading some stations to Vista and SW2008.

    So, what can I expectate about that new scenario? Is that upgrade
    worths?

    Considering the stations are all Core2Duo 6300 to 6700 with 2gb to 4gb
    of ram.

    Thanks in advance
     
    mauricio.trindade, Mar 19, 2008
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    Monty Guest

    I have an HP NW 8440 laptop, 3gig of ram.
    I put Vista Business on it and found it much slower than XP 32 bit. I
    put XP Pro 32 bit back on it. Vista SP1 can now be downloaded. It is
    supposed to be faster, we will see.
    I just ordered a Dell 690 with 64 bit XP., nVidia,Quadro FX 3450, Dual
    Core Xeon Proc 5150 2.66GH. 8 gig of ram. I hope that it is
    significantly faster than my laptop...

    I'd stick with XP if I were you.

    Monty
     
    Monty, Mar 19, 2008
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    Bo Guest

    A recent article is well worth reviewing first:

    "Death match: Windows Vista versus XP"
    Author: Randall C. Kennedy (InfoWorld)

    http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1155325152;pp;2;fp;2;fpid;2

    Randall goes through 10 key points for the match-up and notes
    specifically that XP Pro will outlast the lifespan of VISTA, and hence
    along with the other 9 points, he gives the match to XP Pro until
    "Windows 7" arrives (in which case we will have another basket of bees
    to deal with).

    Bo
     
    Bo, Mar 19, 2008
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  4. And how about the Windows XP expirating?
    We have new Vista Business to install and as I can see we will be
    unable to downgrade do XP soon.
    How are you managing to solve that kind of problem?

    Regards,

    Mauricio
     
    mauricio.trindade, Mar 19, 2008
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    Bo Guest

    Windows XP may stop being sold by Microsoft later this year, but you
    are still going to be able to buy XP Pro copies until then.

    Resale of boxed legitimate copies are already sold on eBay and
    elsewhere.

    As far as I hear most companies selling higher end workstations are
    offering XP Pro installed until at least the time Microsoft stops
    retail sales (maybe longer if the mfgr buys up extra XP copies).

    Downgrading from Vista to XP Pro has been discussed elsewhere on the
    net in detail, findable on Google real easy.

    The best way in my estimation is just throw in a new hard drive (they
    are truly cheap these days) and install XP Pro and load up
    SolidWorks. You can still keep the VISTA install on its original hard
    drive and use it if you must.

    Bo
     
    Bo, Mar 19, 2008
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    samurai Guest

    Vista isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, i'm testing it
    right now with Vista64 and SW2008.

    More hardware is supported, and more software as well. Now with Vista
    SP1, it looks good.

    Is there any test/standards for testing something in SW?? Any API
    script that could be run? Looking for a way to compare XP/Vista with
    Sw2008.


    samurai.
     
    samurai, Mar 20, 2008
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    Jean Marc Guest

    Good idea: run a SW benchmark between the 2 setups: XP Vs Vista

    Would the "star" (not sure of the name) bench be OK?
     
    Jean Marc, Mar 20, 2008
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  8. I heard about Vista being stable and faster on the last updates, but
    i'm scared about massive upgrades like this..
    It would be nice to confirm if it worths by testing.

    Mauricio
     
    mauricio.trindade, Mar 20, 2008
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    Bo Guest

    If Randall C. Kennedy's article didn't mean anything to you, then go
    jump into VISTA with both feet.

    Bo
     
    Bo, Mar 21, 2008
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    zxys Guest

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    TOP Guest

    Mauricio,

    In what sense are you upgrading? I would say you are changing
    operating systems and CAD systems and you are looking for
    compatibility and performance issues. First of all it isn't always a
    good idea to change three major systems at the same time. First I
    would upgrade the hardware. That alone will probably give you the
    biggest benefit. Then if you are going to SW2008 why not do that next
    if there is some benefit to doing so. If there is no benefit and
    SW2007 meets your needs why not stay with that? I am still finding
    SW2008 less than stable and still having many obvious bugs. Finally,
    having seen the benefits of a hardware upgrade and possibly a CAD
    upgrade, then change the operating system last. There is not an
    overall consensus amoung users either in or out of the CAD world that
    Vista is a good OS.

    TOP
     
    TOP, Mar 22, 2008
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    Krister_L Guest

    I agree with Paul.....as from what you can read on the net, Vista is
    not a good OS for cad, and from what I understand the Sp1 is in a lack
    of driver compability. I also read that XP outrides Vista easilly when
    it comes to speed

    I recently upgraded all three, new hardware, new OS and new version of
    SW and i don't regret it. Bought a dell T7400 with XP64, 8Gb of ram
    and installed SW 200864 bit on that. About stability: I don't think
    SW2008 is less stable than any other release. I expreianced a lot of
    craches in the beginning but after turning PW off it works as is
    should. I might be wrong but I think that every release is more or
    less stable while working on non converted files, the more i work with
    the files the more stabel it becomes. The benefit of 64 bit is that
    you can add more memory than with 32bit, today i have 8Gb installed
    and it's faster than anything i ever tried before. There are a few
    things with XP 64 that could work better, printer drivers and a few
    other incompabilities but i use my laptop to solve those problems. I
    must say i like the 08 version of SW, it really hit the point of
    productivity, at least for me, it's much faster then any previous
    release, everything is just under the cursor on the screen, no
    unnessecary travel with the mouse.

    // Krister
     
    Krister_L, Mar 23, 2008
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    jon_banquer Guest

    jon_banquer, Mar 23, 2008
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    Bo Guest

     
    Bo, Mar 25, 2008
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    Bo Guest


    Good to hear the comments as they seem to ring true with what the
    "talk" is on the net. I suspect my 2008 Swks install, when I finally
    switch will by to XP64, sometime later this year (to my Macs of
    course).

    Microsoft is going to support XP way out beyond 2010 for security
    fixes, etc., so we are not going to lose on key support stuff.

    MS's timeline for XP's future is:

    June 30, 2008 -- PC manufacturers stop selling computers with XP
    installed.
    Jan. 31, 2009 -- Microsoft stops selling XP altogether.
    April 14, 2009 -- Mainstream support (free live support and warranty
    support) ends. Free maintenance is limited to security fixes.
    April 8, 2014 -- All support for XP ends.

    The note above came from:

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9070119

    Bo
     
    Bo, Mar 25, 2008
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    Cliff Guest

    And it relates exactly how?
    Made mentions of SW (or similar) did it?
     
    Cliff, Mar 26, 2008
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