I have a nifty little lisp routine I've been using for quite a while. I have uploaded it to the CF group with subject as "viewport guide" What it does is....while in paper space, it will allow me to select the viewport, and then it will draw a matching polyline in model space so I can see the limits of the viewport while in model space. The only problem is that it won't work on irregular viewports. Does anyone know how to make this work w/ irregular viewports, circular and polygonal viewports. Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike