In 2000i I have turned off the layer that holds all my dims in model space. There is ALWAYS still the remaining "dots" from the dims. I am not talking about the leaders. I am talking about the point of origin dots. anyone have an idea on how to make them turn off? I have highlighted them and checked their properties. They belong to layer "x" which is what I have turned off. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thank you, David. DavidLThies at hotmail dot com