The SE Logs

I got the SE v20 disc and basics traiing package last evening...
havent loaded SE yet. Its going onto a compaq presario laptop, 2mhz,
40 gig hd. AMD with a cheezy ATI graphics card that works fine with
IV though... an... windowz XP media center edition, update 2.

the basics traiining package is 5/16" thick, thick white 120# paper,
30 or 40 pages. You draw a garage door side rail bearing and bracket
assembly. big print, big simple illustrations... about 50% white
space. The intro says it takes about an hour to get done.

it will take me a bit longer Im sure. But its easily a tenth or
less as complex as IV... and may be simpler than SW ... doing
registration on the software looked complex though. .. thats next.
then I will give it a road test to see of its as easy as it looks.

there are 25 other tutorials on the CD apparently.. if they are as
clean as this sample I will be real happy with it.


Phil scott

 

That sort of thing usually means you can do a lot less
with it.

 

Well..its up and running. I did disc clean up and defrag first (that
took 8 hours).. loaded SE this AM..that took about 20 minutes (IV
took hours, and so did Alibre... alibre took 4 hours as i recall...I
did about half of its tutorial.. it had noticeable limitations...
no array no pattering bolt hole features apparently.. you had to lay
each hole out separately.).

The SE tutorials are absolutely world class. The screen comes up with
a part to edit or draw and you edit it or draw it live as the
tutorial and the various screen prompts guide you (in 'apprentice'
mode)...iit is a fully interactive tutorial ... procedures less than a
tenth as complex as IV..


I read the SE basics book friday before I loaded the program..that
took about 8 hours.. as i had guessed. 1 hour was way optimistic for
me, but Id guess an experienced SE or SW user could have done it an
hour..

So far id estimate that SE plain vanilla operates much as SW in solid
modeling,... it operates about a tenth as complex with assemblies as
in IV..I dont know it compares with SW in that regard.

it loaded with no catch 22's or suprises.. I did have to reboot to get
my web access working again.


Re inventor. from what I can tell is cobbled together from many
other vendors cornels or whatever those are called.... the load time
and the arcane operations are a result of having to stitch all that
crap together.


I dont see any significant traces of that in SE. It seems to be a
pretty much of a self integrated system.

I dont know what SE capabilities are yet, but Id estimate they are
approx equal to IV and the others. If SE has a close rival Id guess
it was SW at this point. SE synch should outstrip anything on the
market by a wide margin if it lives up to even half of its
promise....

truly I must *thank JB for the tip regardless what some see as other
issues... we all have those you know. Perhaps i myself am more
tolerant due to all the gun fights, nasty motorcycle and red headed
babe issues...not to mention the fiasco with the US Dept of Energy..
(they absolutely HATE my guts you know)..



Implications for our business are extensive imo... CAD work so simple
that anyone can learn it and do it..which means lower rates for cad
operators..... and a much more competitive world market... not the
best for segments of the US economy given china's mfg capability


My advice, get good at some essoteric very high end specialities and
stay on the leading edge of those advances. Ive done that with my
clients, moved them from grunt work type projects to more
sophisticated projects... and into controls etc.. even that is being
heavily invaded by the totally cloooless.. a mess. but thats how its
going.

Advanced and easier techology is a two edged sword. Personally I saw
some of this comming 15 years ago and began broadening my engineering
and hands on skill sets (trade skills)... the combination is all thats
keeping this ol philsie from getting really really thin..




I have 8 days to do the basic book and some tutorials.. my guess i
will have them all done in that time frame. Then it appears that the
first 4 day training class. ($1,495, but I got a package deal
discount) will cover synchronous..I will be ready for it.

SE seems to run OK on the compaq...Id bet sycnhronous does as well.


Phil scott

 

truly I must *thank JB for the tip...

You can hold me to the August ship date for Solid Edge with
Synchronous Technology

As far as thanking me...that's what I'm here for and that's what my
blog is all about. I like to help those who can think for themselves.
That means I can't help most CADCAM users or machinists because most
are brain dead idiots. In addition, most users of CADCAM products are
product loyalists.

I'm a CADCAM whore, Phil. If something comes along that's better I'll
switch. By no means do I think that others can't come up with what
Siemens/UGS has come up with. I just don't think it will be anytime
soon. I also intent to remain loyal in one respect to Siemens/UGS...
in giving them credit as the first to really spend the money and take
a huge step toward ending the nonsense that has existed for far too
long. It's too bad that SpaceClaim didn't go further. SpaceClaim
didn't and still doesn't have a decent marketing plan and continues to
rely on losers like Franco Folini / Novedge who add no value to a
product. Mike Payne and company only have themselves to blame. Mike
Payne is brilliant but he's not a very good listener and he doesn't
understand what it takes to market CADCAM.

When you get your copy of Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology I'm
counting on you to state whether you need the parametric-history based
part of Solid Edge for anything. I feel many uses will never touch the
other side of Solid Edge (the one you are using now) and it will
eventually fade away. Is it bad to learn how to use it the parametric-
history based side… No because it will just make you appreciate Solid
Edge with Synchronous Technology all the more and give you a better
appreciation for the effort Siemens / UGS has made with Synchronous
Technology.

Count me out on the "anyone can learn to use it" bullshit. I feel
that's hype. It's more like you no longer have to spend 8 hours a day
behind a computer with SolidWorks and pretend to be an "expert". That
would be an "expert" who often still can't get the job done in a
timely manner.

I look forward to your posts on learning to use Synchronous
Technology. I'm sure others do as well but they won't post and are too
wimpy to say they have major problems with the way SolidWorks does
things in many areas. I’m sure SolidWorks 2009 will be much better
than the piece of shit SolidWorks 2008 is but it won’t be the kind of
breakthrough Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology is.

SolidWorks Corp. can no longer be considered a technology leader. It’s
more like SolidWorks 2009 will be an update of the same old shit
(history based/parametric modeling) that doesn’t handle many real
world problems and creates it’s own set of problems.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.baywords.com/

 

You may be just learning the very basic features by intent. First
things first.
Check docs & options under pattern(s).
http://www.solidedgecommunity.com/connectqna_submitanswer.php?cpfeatureid=9458
http://www.myigetit.com/vault/courseinfo.aspx?cid=5477

Well-planned training beats hack-n-whack any day.
Do you have CAST? That may be only for UG training & docs
though.

IIRC 15 minutes (including the canned demo) is the limit of jb's
attention span.

Kernels & Autodesk uses their own version of the ACIS one
which jb sez is better that sliced bread compared to that really,
really bad Parasolid one (per jb) you are now using (as does SW).

So simple even jb could use it?

You don't have anything complex or large (files & number of files/parts) yet.

 

Who spiked his meds?

"There are more molecules of water in a cup of water
than there are cups of water in all the worlds seas."

 

truly I must *thank JB for the tip...

You can hold me to the August ship date for Solid Edge with
Synchronous Technology

As far as thanking me...that's what I'm here for and that's what my
blog is all about. I like to help those who can think for themselves.
That means I can't help most CADCAM users or machinists because most
are brain dead idiots. In addition, most users of CADCAM products are
product loyalists.

I'm a CADCAM whore, Phil. If something comes along that's better I'll
switch. By no means do I think that others can't come up with what
Siemens/UGS has come up with. I just don't think it will be anytime
soon. I also intend to remain loyal in one respect to Siemens/UGS...
in giving them credit as the first company to really spend the money
and take
a huge step toward ending the nonsense that has existed for far too
long. It's too bad that SpaceClaim didn't go further. SpaceClaim
didn't and still doesn't have a decent marketing plan and continues to
rely on losers like Franco Folini / Novedge who add no value to a
product. Mike Payne and company only have themselves to blame. Mike
Payne is brilliant but he's not a very good listener and he doesn't
understand what it takes to market CADCAM.

When you get your copy of Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology I'm
counting on you to state whether you need the parametric-history based
part of Solid Edge for anything. I feel many uses will never touch the
other side of Solid Edge (the one you are using now) and it will
eventually fade away. Is it bad to learn how to use it the parametric-
history based side… No because it will just make you appreciate Solid
Edge with Synchronous Technology all the more and give you a better
appreciation for the effort Siemens / UGS has made with Synchronous
Technology.

Count me out on the "anyone can learn to use it" bullshit. I feel
that's hype. It's more like you no longer have to spend 8 hours a day
behind a computer with SolidWorks and pretend to be an "expert". That
would be an "expert" who often still can't get the job done in a
timely manner.

I look forward to your posts on learning to use Synchronous
Technology. I'm sure others do as well but they won't post and are too
wimpy to say they have major problems with the way SolidWorks does
things in many areas. I’m sure SolidWorks 2009 will be much better
than the piece of shit SolidWorks 2008 is but it won’t be the kind of
breakthrough Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology is.

SolidWorks Corp. can no longer be considered a technology leader. It’s
more like SolidWorks 2009 will be an update of the same old shit
(history based/parametric modeling) that doesn’t handle many real
world problems and creates it’s own set of problems.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.baywords.com/

 

Yep.
More hype, BS & noise for vaporware.
He did not.

"cutting through the bullshit"

<Snicker>
--
Cliff
]

Long promised/threatened "reviews" of BBS systems still missing too.
I guess he could not find the ads to copy, eh?

 

truly I must *thank JB for the tip...

You can hold me to the August ship date for Solid Edge with
Synchronous Technology

As far as thanking me...that's what I'm here for and that's what my
blog is all about. I like to help those who can think for themselves.
That means I can't help most CADCAM users or machinists because most
are brain dead idiots. In addition, most users of CADCAM products are
product loyalists.

I'm a CADCAM whore, Phil. If something comes along that's better I'll
switch. By no means do I think that others can't come up with what
Siemens/UGS has come up with. I just don't think it will be anytime
soon. I also intend to remain loyal in one respect to Siemens/UGS...
in giving them credit as the first company to really spend the money
and take a huge step toward ending the nonsense that has existed
for far too long. It's too bad that SpaceClaim didn't go further.
SpaceClaim
didn't and still doesn't have a decent marketing plan and continues to
rely on losers like Franco Folini / Novedge who add no value to a
product. Mike Payne and company only have themselves to blame. Mike
Payne is brilliant but he's not a very good listener and he doesn't
understand what it takes to market CADCAM.

When you get your copy of Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology I'm
counting on you to state whether you need the parametric-history based
part of Solid Edge for anything. I feel many uses will never touch the
other side of Solid Edge (the one you are using now) and it will
eventually fade away. Is it bad to learn how to use it the parametric-
history based side… No because it will just make you appreciate Solid
Edge with Synchronous Technology all the more and give you a better
appreciation for the effort Siemens / UGS has made with Synchronous
Technology.

Count me out on the "anyone can learn to use it" bullshit. I feel
that's hype. It's more like you no longer have to spend 8 hours a day
behind a computer with SolidWorks and pretend to be an "expert". That
would be an "expert" who often still can't get the job done in a
timely manner.

I look forward to your posts on learning to use Synchronous
Technology. I'm sure others do as well but they won't post and are too
wimpy to say they have major problems with the way SolidWorks does
things in many areas. I’m sure SolidWorks 2009 will be much better
than the piece of shit SolidWorks 2008 is but it won’t be the kind of
breakthrough Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology is.

SolidWorks Corp. can no longer be considered a technology leader. It’s
more like SolidWorks 2009 will be an update of the same old shit
(history based/parametric modeling) that doesn’t handle many real
world problems and creates it’s own set of problems.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.baywords.com/

 

Sunday. Im doing the intro book, 5/16" thick, called 'getting
started with solid edge'

it has me openng the appropriate file, then drawing a profile and
dimensioning it. .that went well. its a slick interface.

click return.

you exit that and get put into part mode..where you revolve the
profile. Big glitch. or several.


the book screen shot doesnt match the actual screen, or
instructions.. I am supposed to get a prompt for how many degrees of
rotation, and be able to move the cursor and see the profile rotate a
solid.... I cant.

I only get half of that instruction / input line. no place to input
the degrees of rotation as shown in the book.

zip.. nothing either way...

extensive diddling around got an axis of rotation to show up, by
going through a lot of menu's not described in the instructions... but
no way to get the thing to rotate. the degrees of rotation box showed
up one time, but wouldnt do anything with the input... spent an hour
on it.


it is either incredibly arcane, bugged, or i am an idiot... one of the
three.


I rebooted and started again twice to make sure i had the right
template open etc..I did. still same result. Thats Chapter 3 page
19.


Comments welcome on how V20 is doing generally... and this issue in
particular.



Phil scott

 

continued from comments on trying to get a profile to revolve....
called 'revolved protrusion' in SE.

.... a long string of 10 buttons show up in the instructions bar,
5th says 'Finish' in the instruction book... that button on my screen
shows 'cancell' and buttons 11 and 12, for 'angle' (you can input
it), and 'step' (you can input it also) of rotation don't show up at
all.

I will keep trying then call my contact at SE and the VAR in the AM,
after I suck down some coffee at the chit chat cafe.


If this were a common bug they wouldnt have released it. i did
describe my computer to the SE rep and he said it may not run SE.. why
I dont know, its common and runs other cad software... he recommended
i take their HP offer.. maybe there are some hardware specific issues.


Phil scott

 

LOL
It will be something if the real Phil Scott suddenly decides to stand up.
I wonder how JB will explain that one away?

 

continued .. won't revolve profile. i looked at the SE system
requirements and noticed 'windows explorer v 6 or better' is
specifically required. I cant find it on my machine. I have XP media
edition.. it seems to have all sorts of movie maker feartures etc, but
not 'windows explorer'... that may well be the problem.

if this were an actual bug the software would not be out and running
so long... My guess, i will have to upgrade to XP professional... then
it should run... I will call the VAR and my seimens contact to double
check though.




Phil scott

 

good idea.

 

I doubt that any hardware-specific issues could cause this sort
of problem. The routines that run the menus are clearly working.
Probably wrong stuff (printed) for this release or something
overlooked.
Check any help files or docs.

 

You probably have it.
Look in "Program Files" "Internet Explorer" & check
the properties of the iexplore.exe file therein. That
should give you your version of IE.
And you could upgrade to IE7 from the MS update Site
if needed (if you don't have that & actually need it).
But it's working up to that point so it's probaby not an IE problem
in any case.
And why it should depend on IE is a puzzle too.

 

thanks cliff...that worked and saved me having to move into another
laptop and all that money and hassle.

i called UGS help.. smart guys there. they deleted an item from the
UGS registry on my computer then walked me though the modeling
issue... the book is also out dated apparently .....he recommended i
just do the tutorials... those are superb.

re the issue of not having to learn SE plain vanilla..and just learn
sych.. he said you still use plain vanilla with synch occasionally,
they operate as a set for now.


I forgot to ask him when synch ships..


Phil scott

 

Yes, I almost went to work with them years ago (language & CNC
programming support) but did not want to relocate to CA
(nor talk all day on the phone).
Their support for GM & others was good too (usually each Site
has their own first-line support persons internally too and those
persons deal with the users issues/problems/questions/systems & then
with UG if & as needed).
I've also worked with one of them, sort of, before he went there.
Hope all that I knew are still there & well (and with nice raises
every year<G>).
Good bunch of folks, some with a fine sense of humor.

BTW, I'd still ask them about any special translators that
might help you or others (that group used to be in St. Louis).

 

The guy that wrote their install scripts must not be doing
the SE stuff, retired, etc. Don't recall his name right off
and would not drop it ayway.

Find out how to do your bolt circles?

 

BTW, Phil ... let's try to keep all this stuff in this one thread
rather than starting new threads all the time like a crazy banquer.
Easier for the uninterested to ignore.