Hi, Graeme; To create the aforementioned object: Draw 2d side view. Draw two 180° arcs in the Z plane for the ends. Use EDGESURF, pick the inner and outer radius and the two arcs. That gives you half the elbow. Convert that surface to solid with M2S lisp. Mirror for the other half. If you want hollow section, then create smaller object as above and subtract. Regards, Igor.