Syntax question: All writing with or withoutcap locks

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by Wayne Tiffany, Feb 13, 2004.

  1. Mostly caps, because they are easier to read at various sizes of drawing
    reproduction. But, not an absolute - sometimes lower case for a special
    occasion.

    WT
     
    Wayne Tiffany, Feb 13, 2004
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    kenneth b Guest

    i have a drawing requirements manual (references multiple standards) no
    mention of explict use of caps for notes (although all examples are in
    caps).
     
    kenneth b, Feb 13, 2004
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    Michael Guest

    I use an all caps font (Technic)....
     
    Michael, Feb 13, 2004
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    Sporkman Guest

    I believe it's still appropriate in ANSI/ASME standards to use all caps
    in the field of the drawing. However, I use normal writing
    capitalization when writing notes and revision history, basically to
    save space. If you're doing mil-spec work that's a different thing and
    in the US I believe all caps EVERYWHERE are still much preferred if not
    actually required. Can't say about Canada.

    'Sporky'
     
    Sporkman, Feb 13, 2004
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    Robin Guest

    Do you write all notes and dimension text with or without caps lock on? We
    see both practice in the industry but is there one standard?

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    Robin, Feb 13, 2004
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  6. Interesting human factors fact- it is easeir to read mixed caps and
    lowercase. That is why the body text of books and newspapers are printed in
    caps and lowercase instead of in all caps.

    If you want an objective test, give it a try on any lengthy WORD document
    that you may have laying around. Select all the words and go to
    format-change case. Try reading it in all caps then in 'sentence' case and
    see what makes your brain hurt more. Adopt the less painful one as your
    default, whatever that may be.

    That said, I suspect that all caps is less likely to degrade to a useless
    state after a few smudged copies. If I had to come up with a theory, all
    caps was adopted as a standard becuase of poor reproduction technologies.
    As Wayne says, all caps are bigger so they will still be legible when the
    drawing is tiny (though making caps and lowercase bigger would also work)
    From a pure human factors standpoint, caps and lowercase is hard to dis.

    Since I had it in my archive, the following is kind of relevant and provides
    an interesting factoid about reading and human factors:

    Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't
    mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt
    tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.

    The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it
    wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed
    ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
    Amzanig, huh?
     
    Edward T Eaton, Feb 13, 2004
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  7. I bet that gave your spell check fits!

    MT
     
    Malcolm_Tempt, Feb 13, 2004
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    Andrew Troup Guest

    Ed, I respectfully take a diverging point of view on this. Let me start by
    conceding unconditionally that flowing content is much easier to digest in
    "Sentence case" capitalisation.

    I think it's oversimplifying the issues to leap from this observation to the
    suggestion that engineering drawings should therefore ideally be
    predominantly annotated in lower case.

    Notes on an engineering drawing are (preferably) written in a non-flowing
    language form, similar to telegraph language, or newspaper headlines. This
    is because the primary vehicle in an engineering drawing is not text, but
    linework and/or shaded renditions. Drawings are essentially written in a
    graphic "language", and I would expect that this is probably processed in a
    different area of the brain.

    Text is used in drawings only where the graphic depiction does not
    unambiguously convey the definition.
    To avoid clutter, distraction and detraction, content is truncated by
    leaving out words: we don't write
    "We suggest that this component should be bead-blasted before it goes in the
    treatment tank for etching"
    we say "BEAD BLAST PRIOR TO ETCHING"

    The truer comparison along the lines of your suggestion, I feel, would be to
    compare which of these is easier on the brain, rather than taking a lengthy
    Word document as the trial horse.


    Then (from the same distance- remembering that we often read drawings pinned
    to a wall or whatever) compare the second rendition above with
    "bead blast prior to etching"

    If we scale up the lower case text for legibility from a distance, the line
    spacing increases to cope with the wasteful aspect ratio variations.
    The text starts to compete with the linework for our attention, whereas it
    should amplify it where the linework is insufficient.

    In the context of "reading" a drawing, I consider the ALL CAPS approach wins
    hands down.
    However, translating a novel into telegraphese, and/or printing a novel in
    ALL CAPS, would clearly not work.

    Perhaps it is not entirely coincidental that telegrams were invariably
    printed in all capitals, and newspaper headlines still are.

    ------

    The other factor in a drawing, aside from reproduction fidelity issues, is
    that when they are in a workshop or worksite, they become subject to dirt,
    oil, sparks, and other indignities. Capitals are less fiddly, and generally
    more unambiguous in this context. The exception is O and 0, (although,
    depending on font, these vary in differentiation), whereas l (lowercase L)
    and 1 (number one) are always problematic in any font, unless we can see
    them both at once.

    Personally I avoid lower case on engineering drawings except in two
    situations:

    1) recognised abreviations, such as kW, mm, Nm
    2) notes which are intended for pre-issue reading : perhaps a note to myself
    ("Check stress at this section" or a detailer "show this recess in a
    transverse scrap section": (I also colour these green, and tilt them so they
    stand out) These are to be acted on, then deleted, before issue.

    -----

    I've already rambled on overmuch, but it occurs to me that is the very
    redundancy of lower case, serif text which makes it so easy to skim in
    flowing language- our brain chooses its own identifiers on the fly, to suit
    its unique pattern recognition and rhythm, and fills in gaps (words we don't
    explicitly read) from contextual inferences, whereas upper case sans serif
    works at the opposite end, where every letter is clipped and unambiguous,
    every word is freighted with significance, and we DO NOT want the reader to
    skim and infer.
     
    Andrew Troup, Feb 14, 2004
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  9. I apologize if it appeared I was advocating that mixed case was my
    recommendation for DRAWINGS.

    I just thought it interesting that Wayne finds caps easier to read when
    other fields that focus on communication (specifically graphic design and
    typesetting) have established that mixed case is easier to read. That was
    kind of my point of interest, and what I wanted to comment on.

    I must learn to use my words to convey tone better. I believe the ANSI
    standard is caps, and know that our engineers use all caps in their
    drawings. I provided MORE specific instances in my post for why CAPS would
    be preferred for drawings than I did for the contrary, and you spelled out a
    whole bunch of others. Your thoughtful response ought to be of great value
    to Robin.

    At no point did I say that engineering drawings should ideally be annotated
    in mixed case. The closest I came was to propose an objective test in case
    the poster had case it their discretion, and suggested that the decision may
    be informed by his results (which may be caps are easier to read). Though I
    am guilty of saying that mixed case is hard to dis, but again it was from a
    pure ease of use standpoint.
    If you want to make things easier to read, you really have to use mixed
    case - we ought to all agree on this. If you want a more deliberate
    investment from your reader, if you want to avoid them looking at words as
    packets (like in the misspelling thing at the end of my post) then CAPS
    actually works to your purpose. In a drawing, which is a legal document that
    has lots of money associated with it, a strong case can be made for
    requiring more of an investment from the reader. Again, leveraging the
    human factors stuff, but in a different direction!

    Thanks for your comments, Andrew
    -Ed
     
    Edward T Eaton, Feb 14, 2004
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  10. Andrew,

    I am impressed by the clarity of you points. If I was ever wishy-washy
    about the case I used in a drawing note - that time is no more. Were
    you on the debate team?

    Sincerely,
    Jerry Forcier
     
    Jerry Forcier, Feb 14, 2004
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    Andrew Troup Guest

    Guys

    Thank you both for your comments

    Ed

    Guilty as charged! I did misrepresent your point of view, by collapsing it
    as I did.

    Looking back, I took your "Adopt the less painful one as your default,
    whatever that may be" -- along with my personal conviction that applying the
    ALL CAPS instance of the suggested test to a lengthy document would
    inevitably result in severe pain to anyone with "conventional" brain wiring
    (please don't flame me, any CAPS addicts !) --
    as a de facto recommendation for mixed case on drawings.

    Jerry

    I *was* on the debating team, but I never did that well, probably 'cos my
    Dad was the teacher who ran (and often judged) the debates, and praps I was
    trying to protect us both from the accusation or avoidance or actuality of
    favouritism.
    (If that's too obscure: if I was crap enough, then even Dad would recognise
    it!)
     
    Andrew Troup, Feb 17, 2004
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