Has anyone used both products; is either one substantially better? TIA
What tools does Inventor give the user to help deal with this problem? http://machinedesign.com/ContentItem/68359/HowwasthatmodelbuiltSoftwaretellsall.aspx Jon Banquer San Diego, CA
Much depends on what sort of business you are in and what the users to be already know. AutoCAD products have more of a focus on AEC, for one thing, last I knew. It's also often used for basic educational use. Compare the uses both firms target their products for & see if any of them are yours. Often their Sites will give hints based on customers mentioned, examples used, etc. Also compare their APIs so you can add your own added functionality (if needed) and you can program in their stuff. Neither is a CAD/CAM system though. Not that everyone needs one but ....
Much depends on what sort of business you are in and what the users to be already know. AutoCAD products have more of a focus on AEC, for one thing, last I knew. It's also often used for basic educational use. Compare the uses both firms target their products for & see if any of them are yours. Often their Sites will give hints based on customers mentioned, examples used, etc. Also compare their APIs so you can add your own added functionality (if needed) and you can program in their stuff. Neither is a CAD/CAM system though. Not that everyone needs one but .... BTW, You really should have Xposted this to the Usenet AutoCAD groups too, IMHO. I added a *few* (there are more). Don't try this at home: http://www.geocities.com/banquercadcam/
Jonnie, just answer the OP's question. Leave your soapbox at home. Most people are smart enough to know what I mean Nuts son. Since you're not I'll lay it out for you: If Inventor doesn't have the needed tools like SolidWorks doesn't they both fucking suck and it doesn't really matter which half-assed solution one picks unless you're an idiot like both you an Brewer are. The basics in most solid modelers are badly broken. It's time the basics got fixed. Hope this helps you fucking moron, Jon Banquer San Diego, CA
[ I dropped out of high school to pursue my dream of making a lot of money and never went back ] - Jon Banquer [ Jon, CAD programs can't make up for your lack of a foundation built by education and/or experience in this field you repeatedly attempt to pose as an expert where you are simply a clueless beginner. ] [ I just spent $600 for the SolidProfessor Professional Bundle SolidProfessor pretty much adheres to a 100 percent hands on tutorial approach. So far I'm very happy with the SolidProfessor video tutorials and feel it's money well spent. ] - Jon Banquer - June 25, 2007 [ I've been away from SolidWorks for almost ten years. At this point I spend the majority of my day on SolidWorks 2007. The program has changed so much in ten years that I'm still way behind where I need to be. ] -Jon Banquer - Aug. 26, 2007 [ I'm committed to working with HSMWorks to doing just that. Shouldn't be too hard because their head of US operations and I see things in almost the exact same way and because HSMWorks is interested in what I have to say and wants to work with me. ]- Jon Banquer - [ Who I'm working with to deliver what truly will be the next generation of CAM: www.hsmworks.com ]-Jon Banquer- [ Jon is not affiliated with HSMWorks ApS in any way and that we cannot control what people are writing on the web. Anybody can get evaluation licenses of HSMWorks and test it themselves. I hope this clarifies any doubt. ] - HSMWorks ApS - [ I'll be reviewing the www.myigetit.com SolidWorks course shortly. ] jon_banquer, July 19, 2007 [ I will be starting the www.myigetit.com Solidworks course in the next week or so. ] jon_banquer, July 19, 2007 So Jon it's been nearly 8 months now, how long does it take you to finish an 8-hour or so video course? [ Hopefully SolidWorks 2004 will use ACIS as it's modeling kernel. This alone should help to make moving between surfaces and solids much, much easier because ACIS has the surfacing tools that Parasolid simply does not have. ] jon_banquer- [ If I were to guess at this point what system is best it would be UG ] - Jon Banquer- Well Jon, how can that be since UG has long used the Parasolid kernel? [ He pushes UG as THE CAD/CAM solution. Can't think of worse advice for many small job shops ] - Jon Banquer - [ If I were to guess at this point what system is best it would be UG ] - Jon Banquer- [ The only thing I agree with is, do most of us even need the accuracy Parasolid or Acis supports? I don't think so and I'm sure many people orprograms feel they do not need to be as accurate. ]-Jon Banquer- [ The beautiful thing about working with this 1/2 million dollar horizontal machine with 12 pallets is that I spend very little time running parts and spend the majority of my time on programming, setting up and optimizing the program. ] - Jon Banquer - 12 May 2007 You have a machine designed for high production. You are glad that your machine spends little time running parts while you are programming, setting up and fixing programming errors (AKA: optimizing the program) at the control...........LOL........... only in Banquerland could someone be happy about that. Oh! Jon, BTW your machine only has 11 pallets, since you can't count check the large sticker on the front of your machine, in large letters it tells you and everyone else how many pallets your machine has. Are you still working for this company? How long did your employment last before you "left"? Jon, how does a post processor compensate for something that is not done in the "CAM program"? What is the difference between programming Aerospace parts and Non-Aerospace parts? Are you saying someone is paying a high school drop out (you), machine operator (you) to design & model parts where you have no schooling or work experience in engineering, design, drafting or solid modeling where you have nearly 2 whole months experience using SolidWorks 2007? If so what they save using untrained and unqualified personnel designing parts they can use towards product liability insurance. I wonder, do they falsify the credentials of the person signing off on the design and drawings as well? So your "Clients" are hiring a machine operator (you) to design and draw up their parts even when you haven't finished your SolidWorks video tutorials yet? Yes, please do. Said yes a few times, where is that list Jon? How are you coming along with that list of people / companies with no mechanical engineers who have designed their own engines, gearboxes? You liked SolidWorks 1998 but called SW 2006 a complete piece of shit. So what changed between SW-1998 that you liked and SW-2006 that made it a complete piece of shit Jon? So what were you basing your opinions these past years, especially since you didn't know or use SolidWorks at the time? How can that be Jon? I never said anything about "real price paid in the market". [ I'm committed to working with HSMWorks to doing just that. Shouldn't be too hard because their head of US operations and I see things in almost the exact same way and because HSMWorks is interested in what I have to say and wants to work with me. ] - Jon Banquer - [ Who I'm working with to deliver what truly will be the next generation of CAM: www.hsmworks.com ]-Jon Banquer- [ Jon Banquer is not affiliated with HSMWorks ApS in any way and that we cannot control what people are writing on the web. Anybody can get evaluation licenses of HSMWorks and test it themselves. I hope this clarifies any doubt. ]- HSMWorks ApS - So CAD/CAM companies are now competing with credit card companies? --------------------------------- On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:32:15 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer Not just ignorant but Banquer-Ignorant: [ You never chain geometry in Gibbs or SmartCAM. It's not necessary. ] - Jon Banquer - May 20, 2005 [ Create the elements in any order, and sequence them later, using modeling tools such as Chain. ] -SmartCAM Manual - ------------------ Ignorant = Banquer [ I hope I provided some good info on Gibbs Machining Markers and the FACT that Gibbs doesn't have chaining tools. ]-Jon Banquer- [ Now a quickie explanation about the Machining Markers. The blue arrow is the direction the tool will go (you can choose backward >or forward movement), you highlighted one of the three circles, they tell the tool to either go on the outside of the geometry, the inside of the geometry, OR centered on the geometry. The white round marker is where the toolpath starts, and the black round marker is where it ends. The square black & white markers are the particular section of the geometry chosen to start on. The red line it the toolpath, the purple like is the geometry (it is purple, right? I'm color blind and it looks like dark blue to me) ] BottleBob (a GibbsCAM user) "Can you show us how you "chained" that geometry in Gibbscam, Bob?" - Jon Banquer- Jon did you even read Bob's post, the one you copied above and then ask "Can you show us how you "chained" that geometry in Gibbscam,?" I can show you how the geometry in GibbsCAM is chained from BottleBob posted. Here you go, the program needs to know this as a minimum to chain: 1) profile start 2) profile end 3) direction 4) offset So lets look at machining markers and what BottleBob describes: 1) start: "The white round marker is where the toolpath starts," 2) end: "the black round marker is where it ends." 3) direction: "blue arrow is the direction" 4) offset: "they tell the tool to either go on the outside of the geometry, the inside of the geometry, OR centered on the geometry." GibbsCAM does have auto-chaining and if the auto-chaining doesn't give you the results you want say something like conventional cut and you want climb cut, the chain can be edited. If BB clicks on the blue arrow and reverses it he just reversed the chain direction. If BB clicks on the white box and drags it to another position he just edited the chains start point. You can call it "Chaining" (since that is the original widely accepted term) or you can call it "Machining Markers", hell you can even call it "Santa Clause" if you want as long as it tells the CAM program where the profile start, end, direction and offset is. All CAM programs have to know that information in order to calculate the offset tool path by any other name it's still "chaining". ----------------------------- Not just ignorant but Banquer-Ignorant: [ I think it depends on how you use the Flex feature <snip> For bending things like brackets, hangers, suspension components, etc. I think it's great and saves a lot of time. ]- Jon Banquer- September 2007 [ To answer your question I have never worked in a sheet metal shop. I'm not using the SolidWorks Flex Feature for sheet metal parts. ] - Jon Banquer- September 2007 [ The items you described bending Jon, where you recommend using the Flex Feature "brackets, hangers" and other like suspension parts ARE sheet metal parts. ] -Tom- --------------------------------- Jon on SolidWorks vs. IronCAD: [ Let me start by saying your and idiot. IronCAD has parametric tools, and it allows you to use direct editing tools on the geometry as well. So does SolidWorks. It proves you don't know either tool well enough to open your yap about it. IronCAD allows you to create a history based part and then overwrite the history, essentially making the part into an imported part, throwing away the features, and just keeping the acis/parasolid body. You can do the same thing in SW with either an insert part or a translation. It's a crutch, Jon. A crutch for stupid people like you. You don't need to do that, because in SW you can do direct editing right on the history-based model. Your problem here starts with the fact that you never define exactly what you're talking about, so no one can answer you properly. I suspect the reason you don't define what your talking about is because you don't have any fucking clue. Mixing paradigms like that (parametric and direct editing) should be the exception rather than the norm, but you seem to gravitate toward the dumbassedest way of doing things. Multiple contexts all over again. If there's a bad idea in a box, you'll find it. ] -Daisy- ------------------- Jon on SolidWorks multiple-context: [ JEESUS!!!! Jon, you can't be serious! Multiple contexts? That is an absolute last resort, even when it answers the problem, you fucktard. Plus, if you knew anything about anything you'd know that a mate doesn't create external relationships between parts, so that switch won't solve the problem anyway. Notice that the beginning user didn't do you the favor of telling you what the error message actually said, and you fell into the trap of ASSuming you knew what it was. Dumbass. If you were any smarter you would know that there was not enough information to solve the problem. But that was something that was taught in school, so you wouldn't know anything about it. Better watch some more videos. Did any of those books have the "use for positioning only" switch??? Why is it you refuse to learn anything? Why is that, Jon? Why are you so fukn stupid? Did you drop out of skule bekaz yer reeding comprehention was so bad? Did they fire you from that lame ass job because your such a poser? How about using a flexible subassembly? Why did you fail to think of that, Banqueer? Or what about making the mate in the top level? Or checking for conflicting mates or fixed components? O just about anything 'ceptn for that ONE forbidden apple, the multiple context switch, which isn;t the ansswer anyway? What a fukn joke. Here I am just a hack, and I know better than that. Your expertness. pppbbbbtt!! Stick to sweeping chips, faggot. ] -Daisy- ============================= Jon on SolidWorks Flex Feature: [ Oh, this is getting good. Say something else stupid and utterly ignorant, Jon. I gotta hear more of that. This demonstrates beyond doubt that you've never used either one. Jeesis, what a dumass. ] Dusty ------------------- Jon on SolidWorks: [ Oh, are you gonna go off again about global shape modeling? Please? I love machinists doing global deformations of my models before they machine them. Or I mean I would if my name were Salvadore Dali. Flex is another semi-useless function in the software. You just gravitate toward that crap. ] - Daisy- ----------------- Jon just being banquer-dumb: [ Yeah, I'm sure you're not, but that's not because they are not there, it's because you are so feaking clueless. You don't have very good control over what the feature makes. You can be precise when actually modeling a part, but Flex just throws all that precision out the window. ] -Daisy- [ Never worked in a sheet metal shop, have you Jon? How the hell are you going to manufacture something that was bent by something like that? You don't have precise control of the results. Flex can't be used for design or manufacturing data. Where did you used to work before you got fired? ] -Daisy- [ No shit?! I couldn't have told! Really? What kind of a part is a bracket? Particularly a bent bracket? Is it just a bent part and not sheet metal? It's unsuitable because you're at the mercy of the software when it comes to the shape in the flexed area. If you had ever used the feature, you'd know this without being told. I prefer to have the parts correct, not half-assed. Please, tell me the name of any shop where you get a job. I want to make sure we save time and money by not having you wreck my parts. ]-Daisy- [ In the history of everything, one person who you don't even know from adam posts something positive about your pet projetct, and now it becomes gospel. What I like is that you'll use this anonymous zander as a role model for something you know nothing about, and then you'll bust on engineers for creating stupidshit models which can't be made. What you dont realize is that the Flex makes it really easy to make stupidshit models. Here's a novel idea. Why don't you actually use the software to make something and tell us what you did? Did you lose access to SolidWorks software when you got booted from that last shop for crashing another machine? I like indent. I don't like flex or multiple contexts although I use then when need requires. Which is almost never. You're still refusing to post a situation in which you would use multiple contexts? Credibility slipping jon. Based on using flex for sheet metal parts, it probably is best to keep you fucking mouth shut for a change. How about Shape, jon? I'll bet you like Shape too, don\t you./ Its as big a piece of shit as the rest, which is how I know you'll like it. And of course the grand daddy of useless features is Deform. This is the one I expected you to glom onto, with the global shape modeling and all. Anyway, Shape and Deform. Think about them for a while. I know your gonna love them. ] -Daisy
Ignorant: "Jon, I never forgot any of your postings about SDRC I made the wrong decision in spite of what you said. There have been a number of times that my Wife has told me to be careful in dealing with someone and after words says "I told you so". She earned the right to say it as well as you have earned the right to say I TOLD YOU SO. I made a decision that went against my better judgment and as usual it turned out poorly." .... Tom Brewer Ignorant: "I do not purchase programs unless I know before hand that they are what I want and/ or need."... Tom Brewer who can't follow his own advice. See above. Ignorant: Tom Brewer thinking he and his pals like Joe788 can play their Usenet staking games, lie on a repeated basis and suffer no consequences for doing so. Ignorant: "I have shot myself in the foot, not an easy thing to do when it is in your mouth and your head is in your ass."... Tom Brewer admitting what he's often like. Ignorant: Someone who has a proven track record of not being able to deal with or accept the kind of change that occurs in the cadcam market... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Someone who doesn't live in San Diego yet insists there is no shortage of CNC machinists here... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Someone who criticizes someone on SolidWorks but has never helped anyone with specific SolidWorks answers. Someone who is not able to answer any questions that "Vinny" had on master modeling or skeletal modeling. Someone who has never posted any models they have done... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Tom Brewer's failure to understand who Matt Lombard really is. Ignorant: Tom Brewer's unable to comprehend what's on the cover of the SolidWorks Bible: "Whether you're a new, intermediate, ...." Ignorant: Someone who can't understand more than a simple "I love it!" or "I hate it!" type of comment ... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Tom Brewer implies that because you acknowledge that the $25 SolidWorks course covers subjects / topics that the $650 SolidWorks course didn't that you're now somehow an idiot and got screwed when you decided to purchase the $650 SolidWorks course. Tom Brewer Writing About SmartCAM: "I ended up paying a consultant $40.00 per hour for two weeks." "FYI, when I said "Solid modeling" in reference to SmartCam it was tongue in cheek. What you could not see is that when I was typing that I was laughing to myself. Anyone that uses SmartCam and Solid Modeling in the same sentence cannot be taken seriously." Recently Tom Brewer said SmartCAM had no user interface problems and yet the record shows Tom Brewer thinks SmartCAM does indeed have user interface problems: "The only real problem that I run into is that the screen can get cluttered and it becomes difficult to pick and choose elements in Free Form. I just use the utility masking feature to hide what is in the way, that cures the problem but it does add work (I tried the snap filtering and snap options but for me it was not the best way), I have seen other packages that handle picking and choosing in better." Conclusion: Tom Brewer thinks he's a SolidWorks expert. A SolidWorks expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
[ I've been away from SolidWorks for almost ten years. At this point I spend the majority of my day on SolidWorks 2007. The program has changed so much in ten years that I'm still way behind where I need to be. ] -Jon Banquer - Aug. 26, 2007
[ He pushes UG as THE CAD/CAM solution. Can't think of worse advice for many small job shops ] - Jon Banquer - [ If I were to guess at this point what system is best it would be UG ] - Jon Banquer-
Ignorant: "Jon, I never forgot any of your postings about SDRC I made the wrong decision in spite of what you said. There have been a number of times that my Wife has told me to be careful in dealing with someone and after words says "I told you so". She earned the right to say it as well as you have earned the right to say I TOLD YOU SO. I made a decision that went against my better judgment and as usual it turned out poorly." .... Tom Brewer Ignorant: "I do not purchase programs unless I know before hand that they are what I want and/ or need."... Tom Brewer who can't follow his own advice. See above. Ignorant: Tom Brewer thinking he and his pals like Joe788 can play their Usenet staking games, lie on a repeated basis and suffer no consequences for doing so. Ignorant: "I have shot myself in the foot, not an easy thing to do when it is in your mouth and your head is in your ass."... Tom Brewer admitting what he's often like. Ignorant: Someone who has a proven track record of not being able to deal with or accept the kind of change that occurs in the cadcam market... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Someone who doesn't live in San Diego yet insists there is no shortage of CNC machinists here... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Someone who criticizes someone on SolidWorks but has never helped anyone with specific SolidWorks answers. Someone who is not able to answer any questions that "Vinny" had on master modeling or skeletal modeling. Someone who has never posted any models they have done... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Tom Brewer's failure to understand who Matt Lombard really is. Ignorant: Tom Brewer's unable to comprehend what's on the cover of the SolidWorks Bible: "Whether you're a new, intermediate, ...." Ignorant: Someone who can't understand more than a simple "I love it!" or "I hate it!" type of comment ... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Tom Brewer implies that because you acknowledge that the $25 SolidWorks course covers subjects / topics that the $650 SolidWorks course didn't that you're now somehow an idiot and got screwed when you decided to purchase the $650 SolidWorks course. Tom Brewer Writing About SmartCAM: "I ended up paying a consultant $40.00 per hour for two weeks." "FYI, when I said "Solid modeling" in reference to SmartCam it was tongue in cheek. What you could not see is that when I was typing that I was laughing to myself. Anyone that uses SmartCam and Solid Modeling in the same sentence cannot be taken seriously." Recently Tom Brewer said SmartCAM had no user interface problems and yet the record shows Tom Brewer thinks SmartCAM does indeed have user interface problems: "The only real problem that I run into is that the screen can get cluttered and it becomes difficult to pick and choose elements in Free Form. I just use the utility masking feature to hide what is in the way, that cures the problem but it does add work (I tried the snap filtering and snap options but for me it was not the best way), I have seen other packages that handle picking and choosing in better." Conclusion: Tom Brewer thinks he's a SolidWorks expert. A SolidWorks expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
Ignorant: "Jon, I never forgot any of your postings about SDRC I made the wrong decision in spite of what you said. There have been a number of times that my Wife has told me to be careful in dealing with someone and after words says "I told you so". She earned the right to say it as well as you have earned the right to say I TOLD YOU SO. I made a decision that went against my better judgment and as usual it turned out poorly." .... Tom Brewer Ignorant: "I do not purchase programs unless I know before hand that they are what I want and/ or need."... Tom Brewer who can't follow his own advice. See above. Ignorant: Tom Brewer thinking he and his pals like Joe788 can play their Usenet staking games, lie on a repeated basis and suffer no consequences for doing so. Ignorant: "I have shot myself in the foot, not an easy thing to do when it is in your mouth and your head is in your ass."... Tom Brewer admitting what he's often like. Ignorant: Someone who has a proven track record of not being able to deal with or accept the kind of change that occurs in the cadcam market... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Someone who doesn't live in San Diego yet insists there is no shortage of CNC machinists here... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Someone who criticizes someone on SolidWorks but has never helped anyone with specific SolidWorks answers. Someone who is not able to answer any questions that "Vinny" had on master modeling or skeletal modeling. Someone who has never posted any models they have done... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Tom Brewer's failure to understand who Matt Lombard really is. Ignorant: Tom Brewer's unable to comprehend what's on the cover of the SolidWorks Bible: "Whether you're a new, intermediate, ...." Ignorant: Someone who can't understand more than a simple "I love it!" or "I hate it!" type of comment ... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Tom Brewer implies that because you acknowledge that the $25 SolidWorks course covers subjects / topics that the $650 SolidWorks course didn't that you're now somehow an idiot and got screwed when you decided to purchase the $650 SolidWorks course. Tom Brewer Writing About SmartCAM: "I ended up paying a consultant $40.00 per hour for two weeks." "FYI, when I said "Solid modeling" in reference to SmartCam it was tongue in cheek. What you could not see is that when I was typing that I was laughing to myself. Anyone that uses SmartCam and Solid Modeling in the same sentence cannot be taken seriously." Recently Tom Brewer said SmartCAM had no user interface problems and yet the record shows Tom Brewer thinks SmartCAM does indeed have user interface problems: "The only real problem that I run into is that the screen can get cluttered and it becomes difficult to pick and choose elements in Free Form. I just use the utility masking feature to hide what is in the way, that cures the problem but it does add work (I tried the snap filtering and snap options but for me it was not the best way), I have seen other packages that handle picking and choosing in better." Conclusion: Tom Brewer thinks he's a SolidWorks expert. A SolidWorks expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
[ The beautiful thing about working with this 1/2 million dollar horizontal machine with 12 pallets is that I spend very little time running parts and spend the majority of my time on programming, setting up and optimizing the program. ] - Jon Banquer - 12 May 2007 You have a machine designed for high production. You are glad that your machine spends little time running parts while you are programming, setting up and fixing programming errors (AKA: optimizing the program) at the control...........LOL........... only in Banquerland could someone be happy about that. Oh! Jon, BTW your machine only has 11 pallets, since you can't count check the large sticker on the front of your machine, in large letters it tells you and everyone else how many pallets your machine has. Are you still working for this company? How long did your employment last before you "left"?
Jon, how does a post processor compensate for something that is not done in the "CAM program"? Oh! That's right you don't know anything about post processors: [ Some of our posts do need some work. Fixing them is not our shops / the owners / my highest priority right now. ] - Jon Banquer - July 1, 2007 [ So what your saying is you can't program using MasterCAM or do a quick and easy fix to your post processor so it will output good, reliable G-Code for you 100% of the time? And how do you keep associativity with the solid using NC-Plot? ] -Tom-
Ignorant: "Jon, I never forgot any of your postings about SDRC I made the wrong decision in spite of what you said. There have been a number of times that my Wife has told me to be careful in dealing with someone and after words says "I told you so". She earned the right to say it as well as you have earned the right to say I TOLD YOU SO. I made a decision that went against my better judgment and as usual it turned out poorly." .... Tom Brewer Ignorant: "I do not purchase programs unless I know before hand that they are what I want and/ or need."... Tom Brewer who can't follow his own advice. See above. Ignorant: Tom Brewer thinking he and his pals like Joe788 can play their Usenet staking games, lie on a repeated basis and suffer no consequences for doing so. Ignorant: "I have shot myself in the foot, not an easy thing to do when it is in your mouth and your head is in your ass."... Tom Brewer admitting what he's often like. Ignorant: Someone who has a proven track record of not being able to deal with or accept the kind of change that occurs in the cadcam market... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Someone who doesn't live in San Diego yet insists there is no shortage of CNC machinists here... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Someone who criticizes someone on SolidWorks but has never helped anyone with specific SolidWorks answers. Someone who is not able to answer any questions that "Vinny" had on master modeling or skeletal modeling. Someone who has never posted any models they have done... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Tom Brewer's failure to understand who Matt Lombard really is. Ignorant: Tom Brewer's unable to comprehend what's on the cover of the SolidWorks Bible: "Whether you're a new, intermediate, ...." Ignorant: Someone who can't understand more than a simple "I love it!" or "I hate it!" type of comment ... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Tom Brewer implies that because you acknowledge that the $25 SolidWorks course covers subjects / topics that the $650 SolidWorks course didn't that you're now somehow an idiot and got screwed when you decided to purchase the $650 SolidWorks course. Tom Brewer Writing About SmartCAM: "I ended up paying a consultant $40.00 per hour for two weeks." "FYI, when I said "Solid modeling" in reference to SmartCam it was tongue in cheek. What you could not see is that when I was typing that I was laughing to myself. Anyone that uses SmartCam and Solid Modeling in the same sentence cannot be taken seriously." Recently Tom Brewer said SmartCAM had no user interface problems and yet the record shows Tom Brewer thinks SmartCAM does indeed have user interface problems: "The only real problem that I run into is that the screen can get cluttered and it becomes difficult to pick and choose elements in Free Form. I just use the utility masking feature to hide what is in the way, that cures the problem but it does add work (I tried the snap filtering and snap options but for me it was not the best way), I have seen other packages that handle picking and choosing in better." Conclusion: Tom Brewer thinks he's a SolidWorks expert. A SolidWorks expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
[ I know I'm wasting my time on Jon; but there may be others here who actually watch what's posted in order to learn something. (There's another thread about that, so I figure I should practice what I preach.) Despite Jon's rantings, I use AutoCad because it works for me. That's not an endorsement, it's just a fact. Other stuff might work too; but AC is what I know, and it does what I need. What it doesn't do, despite Jon's rantings, is create or verify program code. That's because it's a CAD program (Computer Aided Design), and it's not supposed to be a CAM program (Computer Aided Machining) which generates CNC programs. My need, my purpose, and my use of AutoCad all have to do with designing things for the real world. I build machine tools, so ordinary isometric drawings, or an occasional 3D wireframe to help with visualization of isometric drawings, is what my work requires. Anything with more bells and whistles would just get in my way. With regard to "virtual simulation software that verifies actual G code": That's mostly nonsense. There was a time, decades ago, when writing CNC code was an unfamiliar task for most machinists. I know because I spent a lot of time in the '70's and early '80's teaching people how to do it. Eventually, however, it became more common, and then very common, and then pretty much a necessary and standard part of what any machinist knew and took for granted. In fact, I'd expect anyone who calls himself a machinist today to be able to write basic code almost without thought, as easily as he'd write English. (No, not fancy shapes or instant calculations; but the basic format of a program for a lathe or 3 axis machining center.) So, the task of generating code for a machine should be no more difficult than the task of generating text for a newsgroup post. What's NOT so easy, or so common, is knowing WHAT code to generate. Having a fancy piece of software to "verify G Code" doesn't make you a machinist or a programmer anymore than having a spell checker makes you a poet or an accomplished author. The real skill involved is knowing what to write. That means knowing how to process a workpiece to be machined, how to hold it, what tools are best for which cutting operations, what speeds and feeds and depths of cut will give the best results, and more. Virtual simulation software doesn't do that. It can't, and it's not supposed to. And it can't make a machinist out of a CAM operator anymore than MS Word could make a functional illiterate into Earnest Hemmingway. Besides, the machines I currently work with most often are: 1. My own machines for grinding high performance drill points, whose entire user inteface is a custom CAM system I wrote myself for this very specific application. 2. Mazak machines, whose Mazatrol front end is itself a fit-to-the-equipment CAM system, and which doesn't read, or need, code generated off-line except for unusual situations. 3. CNC Swiss type machines, that have so many slides, so many tools, and so many different possible ways of doing things that nobody offers a postprocessor for them anyway, even on the most sophisticated CAM systems. Wherefore, I don't need or care about the virtual reality that Jon lives in. And, in my humble (but extensively experienced opinion), neither does anybody else. ]-KG-
Ignorant: "Jon, I never forgot any of your postings about SDRC I made the wrong decision in spite of what you said. There have been a number of times that my Wife has told me to be careful in dealing with someone and after words says "I told you so". She earned the right to say it as well as you have earned the right to say I TOLD YOU SO. I made a decision that went against my better judgment and as usual it turned out poorly." .... Tom Brewer Ignorant: "I do not purchase programs unless I know before hand that they are what I want and/ or need."... Tom Brewer who can't follow his own advice. See above. Ignorant: Tom Brewer thinking he and his pals like Joe788 can play their Usenet staking games, lie on a repeated basis and suffer no consequences for doing so. Ignorant: "I have shot myself in the foot, not an easy thing to do when it is in your mouth and your head is in your ass."... Tom Brewer admitting what he's often like. Ignorant: Someone who has a proven track record of not being able to deal with or accept the kind of change that occurs in the cadcam market... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Someone who doesn't live in San Diego yet insists there is no shortage of CNC machinists here... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Someone who criticizes someone on SolidWorks but has never helped anyone with specific SolidWorks answers. Someone who is not able to answer any questions that "Vinny" had on master modeling or skeletal modeling. Someone who has never posted any models they have done... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Tom Brewer's failure to understand who Matt Lombard really is. Ignorant: Tom Brewer's unable to comprehend what's on the cover of the SolidWorks Bible: "Whether you're a new, intermediate, ...." Ignorant: Someone who can't understand more than a simple "I love it!" or "I hate it!" type of comment ... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer. Ignorant: Tom Brewer implies that because you acknowledge that the $25 SolidWorks course covers subjects / topics that the $650 SolidWorks course didn't that you're now somehow an idiot and got screwed when you decided to purchase the $650 SolidWorks course. Tom Brewer Writing About SmartCAM: "I ended up paying a consultant $40.00 per hour for two weeks." "FYI, when I said "Solid modeling" in reference to SmartCam it was tongue in cheek. What you could not see is that when I was typing that I was laughing to myself. Anyone that uses SmartCam and Solid Modeling in the same sentence cannot be taken seriously." Recently Tom Brewer said SmartCAM had no user interface problems and yet the record shows Tom Brewer thinks SmartCAM does indeed have user interface problems: "The only real problem that I run into is that the screen can get cluttered and it becomes difficult to pick and choose elements in Free Form. I just use the utility masking feature to hide what is in the way, that cures the problem but it does add work (I tried the snap filtering and snap options but for me it was not the best way), I have seen other packages that handle picking and choosing in better." Conclusion: Tom Brewer thinks he's a SolidWorks expert. A SolidWorks expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:55:25 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer "I would be willing to tutor him if he can learn to treat others with respect by finding a new way to communicate, much like I have by refusing to engage in personal attacks" - Jon Banquer - "That's why I moved on and that's why I don't post in the SolidWorks newsgroup any longer. I truly like the company." - Jon Banquer
Here are some great example of Jonnie treating others with respect: "You don't love what your crack whore mother does to you? Does it have something to do with how much your father laughs at you while your bent over taking it in the ass? Being on your knees taking it in the ass is your natural position. Suggest you be proud of who you and your mother are." -Jon Banquer- "You back up when your crack whore mother fucks you in the ass with here strap-on." - Jon Banquer- "Speaking of sharing. Your father shares your crack whore mother with anyone who has $5." -Jon Banquer - "How about using your crack whore mother? Everyone else does." -Jon Banquer- "I OWN you! You ain't worth much but I make the most of your worthless ass. Now get back on your knees you dumb ****." -Jon Banquer - "Suggest you shut the **** up already and take what your crack whore mother is giving you without squealing like a little pig. You're my bitch and I own you. Suggest you accept reality for once and deal with it." -Jon Banquer- "Has something to do with being born to a crack whore mother and having no idea who his daddy really is. At least he knows he's my bitch and I enjoy using him on a daily basis." -Jon Banquer - "inches of strap-on dildo that your crack whore mother shoved up your ass as you begged you father to tell her to stop." -Jon Banquer- "The only thing bottom of the barrel is where these motherfuckers will be found by the time I'm done fucking with them." -Jon Banquer- "Figure it out for yourself or have your worthless crack whore mother explain it to you while your father is pimping her out to John Carroll." - Jon Banquer- "Here is your "apology": **** off and die you worthless, lying fucking drunk." -Jon Banquer- "Yeah, I'll get right on spending my time educating a dumb mother fucker like you right away. You will get what I choose to give you when I choose to give it to you, bitch. -Jon Banquer- "You really need to stop sucking dick Numb Nutz. Seriously you're a major loser" Jon Banquer "Your crack whore mother going down on anyone who might give her $5" -Jon Banquer- "Let me explain what humiliation is to you since you're so fucking stupid that you have no clue what humiliation really is. Humiliation is you being sodomized by your mother wearing a strap-on. Did your father suck off your mother's strap-on before she sodomized you?" - Jon Banquer- "Now do what you do best and go back to playing with your nuts, son." - Jon Banquer "Seems like you wanna talk about you crack addicted whore of a mother who fucks you in the ass with her strap-on instead." -Jon Banquer- "I'm sure your crack addicted whore mother always tells you she loves you when you're bent over and hiding your face in shame in the corner. Do you tell her how successful you are and how many seats Mastercam has sold? Do you think she cares? Is this the reason you now prefer men? " -Jon Banquer- "WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... the sound you make when your cracked addicted whore mother rapes you over and over and over again." -Jon Banquer- "Are you happy with the position your crack addicted whore mother puts you in when she fucks you in the ass with her strap-on? You like being bent over and taking it in the ass don't you? " -Jon Banquer- "Why? You prefer men. The only exception you make is for your crack addicted whore of a mother. " -Jon Banquer- "Squeal like the raped little bitch your crack addicted whore mother turned you into. It's so you! " -Jon Banquer- "Your crack addicted whore mother cums hard when she has you in the position she loves you to be in... on your knees in a corner squealing like the lying little pig that you are. " -Jon Banquer- "I feel sorry for your mother or whatever you call that crack whore that spit you out." -Jon Banquer- "Your mother does anyone. That's what happens when you're a crack whore. Proud of her are you?" -Jon Banquer - "You have every right to be proud of your crack whore mother. Look how long she's been in business."-Jon Banquer- "Of course that pails in comparison to your crack whore mother who is still open for business 24/7/365. " - Jon Banquer - HTH gk
