Structural drafting question

1st floor ceiling framing VS. 2nd floor framing. How do people generally show their plans? Show the walls and openings that are below the steel framing or show the steel framing and the walls/veneer ect. that it supports. Thank you.

 

If I understood your question correctly ... We show the walls/openings as
part of first floor plan then the steel framing as second floor framing.
Steel columns would appear on both sheets.

 

We show framing and walls below. Typically, the view is cut 1" above the floor. As an architectural student working at a structural firm, I find it pretty confusing.

 

I'm a structural detailer.



You show the floor and everything supporting it. (everything below the floor including openings/lintels)
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"bthatcher" <> wrote in message news:...

1st floor ceiling framing VS. 2nd floor framing. How do people generally show their plans? Show the walls and openings that are below the steel framing or show the steel framing and the walls/veneer ect. that it supports. Thank you.

 

Generally, the architect will show 2nd floor windows on the 2nd floor plan, but the framing above that window will be shown on a structural 3rd floor framing plan.



 



 



"bthatcher" <> wrote in message news:...

1st floor ceiling framing VS. 2nd floor framing. How do people generally show their plans? Show the walls and openings that are below the steel framing or show the steel framing and the walls/veneer ect. that it supports. Thank you.

 

As most people say here, we do framing plans looking down from above the floor plan with walls and wall openings below, concrete beams etc. shown dashed below, if they are part of, or are connected to the framing plan.



We dont really do it from 1" above though.



The general rule that we go by is that if it doesn't go up to the next level then it shouldn't be hatched.



Eg, concrete pads, curbs and walls.



Lintels we would show them for the opening that they apply to, so an opening in structural blockwork at level 2 would have the lintel shown for it on level 2. Why should someone have to look at the level 3 framing plan to find out which lintel to put in a level 2 opening ?



Steel beams we show as a heavy solid line.



 



Graeme

 

Generally we'd show them on the second floor and reference their elevations from the 2nd floor framing elevation.



 



In other words:



 



We'd state on the second floor notes a top of framing elevation of say (+12'-0") a.f.f. and mark steel below as (-2'-0") or (-1'-0") and so on.



 



If there's alot of framing at a particular height between floors, and would make the second floor too confusing, we'll make a plan for that framing, noting it's elevation such as "Framing plan at elevation (+11'-6") a.f.f." or something...so it's niether a first or second floor plan...just a plan at that particular elevation.



 



 



"bthatcher" <> wrote in message news:...

1st floor ceiling framing VS. 2nd floor framing. How do people generally show their plans? Show the walls and openings that are below the steel framing or show the steel framing and the walls/veneer ect. that it supports. Thank you.