Not just myself. but 3 other guys with years of experience. Random crashes no matter what procedure we try to use. Sometimes it works, sometimes it crashes. Both at work and my home installation. I did a fresh load at home and cleaned out everything (including registry). Ive had alot of experience with installing properly since the tech from our old VAR was a very good friend. He taught us the correct way. Just cant fix these darn weld symbol problems :( JAKE BARRON