(ssget "C" '(0 0) '(420 297) '((0 . "VIEWPORT") (67 . 1))) WORKS (ssget "C" '(0 0) '(420 297) '((0 . "VIEWPORT") (67 . 1)(281 . 3))) DOES NOT WORK when I know that the vport has group code (281 . 3) group code 281 is for render mode Any Ideas ? Dean