R2005: I know I've been away for a few days and things can change rapidly but why am I getting some points, circles and text in my selection set when I use: Command: (setq ss (ssget "X" '((0 . "LINE")))) <Selection set: 27> Command: list Select objects: !ss <Selection set: 27> 854 found, 1 group Select objects: TEXT Layer: "0" Space: Model space Handle = 161F Group = 70031 Style = "ROMANS" Font file = romans.shx start point, X= 142.3191 Y= 52.3964 Z= 0.0015 height 1.0000 text UP 12 rotation angle 268 width scale factor 1.0000 obliquing angle 0 generation normal CIRCLE Layer: "OUTSIDE" Space: Model space Handle = 1621 Group = 70031 center point, X= 147.7375 Y= 46.9026 Z= 0.0015 radius 1.7427 circumference 10.9497 area 9.5410 POINT Layer: "LDRILL" Space: Model space Handle = 1623 Group = 70031 at point, X= 147.0724 Y= 45.0074 Z= 0.0015 POINT Layer: "LDRILL" Space: Model space Handle = 1624 Group = 70031 at point, X= 148.2053 Y= 46.7126 Z= 0.0015 POINT Layer: "LDRILL" Space: Model space Handle = 1625 Group = 70031 at point, X= 147.1840 Y= 46.9759 Z= 0.0015 POINT Layer: "LDRILL" Space: Model space Handle = 1626 Group = 70031 at point, X= 133.8405 Y= 50.5092 Z= 0.0015 Press ENTER to continue: POINT Layer: "LDRILL" Space: Model space Handle = 1627 Group = 70031 at point, X= 142.1862 Y= 53.3715 Z= 0.0015 POINT Layer: "LDRILL" Space: Model space Handle = 1628 Group = 70031 at point, X= 133.2431 Y= 54.0260 Z= 0.0015 POINT Layer: "LDRILL" Space: Model space Handle = 1629 Group = 70031 at point, X= 147.3726 Y= 48.8665 Z= 0.0015 POINT Layer: "LDRILL" Space: Model space Handle = 162A Group = 70031 at point, X= 149.2738 Y= 48.1721 Z= 0.0015 TEXT Layer: "0" Space: Model space Handle = 162B Group = 70031 Style = "ROMANS" Font file = romans.shx start point, X= 143.1415 Y= 44.6434 Z= 0.0015 height 1.5000 text 70031 rotation angle 340 width scale factor 1.0000 obliquing angle 0 generation normal POINT Layer: "LDRILL" Space: Model space Handle = 162C Group = 70031 at point, X= 141.8021 Y= 44.2561 Z= 0.0015 POINT Layer: "LDRILL" Space: Model space Handle = 1632 Group = 70031 at point, X= 139.9269 Y= 48.6307 Z= 0.0015 Press ENTER to continue: LINE Layer: "OUTSIDE" Space: Model space Handle = 163B Group = 70031 from point, X= 141.7417 Y= 44.1184 Z= 0.0015 to point, X= 150.9204 Y= 41.1091 Z= 0.0015 Length = 9.6595, Angle in XY Plane = 342 Delta X = 9.1787, Delta Y = -3.0093, Delta Z = 0.0000 LINE Layer: "OUTSIDE" Space: Model space Handle = 163A Group = 70031 from point, X= 130.5336 Y= 48.4641 Z= 0.0015 to point, X= 141.7417 Y= 44.1184 Z= 0.0015 Length = 12.0211, Angle in XY Plane = 339 Delta X = 11.2081, Delta Y = -4.3457, Delta Z = 0.0000 LINE Layer: "OUTSIDE" Space: Model space Handle = 1639 Group = 70031 from point, X= 130.4191 Y= 58.2471 Z= 0.0015 to point, X= 130.5336 Y= 48.4641 Z= 0.0015 Length = 9.7836, Angle in XY Plane = 271 Delta X = 0.1145, Delta Y = -9.7829, Delta Z = 0.0000 ect.ect Have I forgotten something? Seems to work when I use ARC: (setq ss (ssget "X" '((0 . "ARC")))) I get just arcs. TIA Bill