ok. Does this bug anyone else? I have created a cam, and used splines to create a good portion of the surface. Now, I was planning on giving the guy making the cam a few reference points so that we could check the thing. I give a dimension from the "center" of the cam to the center of a follower, which is tangent to the cam. ie: at 90deg, L = 1.625. At 265deg, L = 2.365. Anywho, it turns out that you can't make a sketch object tangent to a spline. So I can't give the guy any reference dims over a majority of the cam surface (I did use arcs in a few areas). What's really mucked up, is that I *CAN* do a tangent mate or a cam mate to the cam surface. So why the heck can't I draw a sketch circle and make *IT* tangent to the spline? Anyone? Bueller? -nick e.