SpaceClaim and other marketing bloatware

Dear Group,

I've read the "interview" with SpaceClaim marketing by Mr. Folini.
I can't imagine a better way to discredit a product than speaking to a
marketing guy.
I would have wanted to hear a tech guy to say actually what is so
great about this program.

I would like to see why Mr. Folini "conducts" his interviews. I just
can't imagine that he is doing this great service for mankind, so we
know about stuff (his).
So, Mr Folini, what is the business model you are using? Is it the
exposure of your website? Or marketing software, like SC? Please let
us know, I think I am not the only one who wants to know this.

Obviously the cornerstone of SC "strategy" is to make you believe that
selling something which is apparently not going to be yours is a good
idea.
It should be this simple: I OWE the freaking thing if I've paid for it
or just give me the illusion that I do.
The users are not stupid. Mr. marketing tells us that the users have
the power, because we just wouldn't upgrade . And of course we are
illegal from that moment on, which he forgot to emphasize. The users
doesn't like this, is that clear? It is already bad enough that you
cannot sell your software license (apart from special conditions). The
time expiry idea is a step further.
The software industry fought this out for themselves. I think next
time I buy a car I actually not going to be the owner of it, just
license the usage. (Imagining for a second that I am a CEO of a big
car company, it seems like a GREAT idea. Of course as a CEO I would be
a bit out of touch with reality, but who cares, I'll get my bonus with
options anyway.)

This kind of prepaid marketing has a very simple name: blackmail. I've
already paid a large sum therefore I am going to upgrade.
Instead the user who had a look will not even sign up.

As for technicalities. Parametric modelers are great most of the time.
At least they force out a tiny bit of thinking from the users part.
Yes, they are also a burden when it comes to editing. The little bit
of intelligence built into the models is actually very useful most of
the time. I think both the interviewer and interviewee are out of
touch with reality.

I would be careful letting everybody fiddle with the design downstream
from the design office.
Easy editing, etc. It is about as limited as the kernel which this
whole thing is built upon. For me the simple fact that it is built on
ACIS is an outright turnoff. Especially knowing how much it has been
developed since $$$desk bought it. Or it was perfect, no need for
further development... Or just the press is a bit, well....quiet about
it.

And promoting easy editing...
This reminds me of "direct modeling" features of SolidWorks. They have
their place, sometimes they are outright great. However, they are not
for universal use. One still need to build the model somehow before
actually modifying it. So far feature based modeling is the proven
tool for this.

So I don't see the SpaceClaim revolution. Did I miss something?
Please let me know.

Regards
Attila

 

"I would be careful letting everybody fiddle with the design
downstream
from the design office."

Someone has to fix the models that customers often provide that are
often non manufacturable / cost too much to manufacture. This is what
are customers expect from us.

"So I don't see the SpaceClaim revolution. Did I miss something?"

Quite a bit. You obviously don't do much work with imported non-native
data.

BTW, Autodesk doesn't own ACIS. Years ago they purchased the rights to
the source code at that point in time.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

 

This is confusing to good ol' bob z.: Autodesk doesn't own ACIS.
Autodesk purchased the rights to the source code.

Does ACIS belong to Autodesk or not?

bob z.

 

Dasault owns ACIS. Autodesk purchased rights to develop their own modeling
kernel derived from the ACIS version current at the time of the deal. I
don't know what they call it, but I'm sure they can't call it ACIS.

 

No. ACIS is owned by 3DS, which is and was Spatial, except the now Spatial
is different from the prior Spatial in that Spatial is no longer a separate
company and is now owned by the same company that owns Solidworks, CATIA,
Enovia, Delmia, etc.

See, much less confusing.

--Scott

 

Dessault own everything.

Mr. Folini is a good guy. he's providing info about the industry and
it's hard work doing interviews and keeping posts going on a website
along with everything else. read some of the other interviews. I'd
like to see another spaceclaim interview Attila if you don't mind.
perhaps you could provide some clarity.

 

Who said there is no humor in this group?

LOL

 

I probably should have phrased it differently, but I knew that good ol' Bob
Z. would understand.

 

Well, an interview with a technical guy wouldn't hurt.
To clarify: I don't do interviews. Yes, he could be a good guy. Sorry
for insulting your information source. It is good to see the future.

Regards
Attila

 

"This is confusing to good ol' bob z.: Autodesk doesn't own ACIS."

Correct. They don't.

"Autodesk purchased the rights to the source code."

Correct. They did.

http://investors.autodesk.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=117861&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=230562&highlight=

"Nov. 27, 2001"

"Autodesk, Inc. (Nasdaq:ADSK), the world's leading design software and
digital content company, today announced it will begin development of
a dedicated 3D modeling kernel, named Autodesk(R) ShapeManager, to be
incorporated in Autodesk Inventor(TM) and other Autodesk design
software. The Autodesk ShapeManager will be based on the ACIS(R) 7.0
kernel licensed by Autodesk from Spatial Corp. Autodesk ShapeManager
will give users the ability to build and modify complex virtual
models, which require sophisticated mathematical computations to
define and communicate three-dimensional design intent. Autodesk has
added a large development team with substantial experience in solid
modeling and development of the ACIS kernel, whose charter will be to
create a purpose-built, feature-based modeling engine for Autodesk
Inventor and fine-tuned for the demands of 3D users in the
manufacturing marketplace.

"It is our goal to allow customers to be able to design more complex
parts, and to provide increasing application stability and
performance," said Robert Kross, vice president of the Manufacturing
Division at Autodesk. "Managing our own kernel development will give
Autodesk's mechanical design software an edge in the market that no
competitor can match and reinforces our commitment to the
manufacturing marketplace. Our customers will see improved robustness,
geometry coverage, and performance."

"Because Autodesk ShapeManager shares its heritage with the same ACIS
kernel present in current and legacy versions of Autodesk Inventor and
the AutoCAD family of products, integration of Autodesk ShapeManager
will create no file migration problems and no geometry migration
utilities will be required. ShapeManager will maintain compatibility
with ACIS versions 7.0 and below. Future kernel development efforts
will be narrowly focused on the requirements of feature modeling for
Autodesk Inventor and on advanced shape description for complex
geometric designs such as those in the consumer products industries."

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

 

As others have said ACIS belongs to Spatial which was bought by
Dassault. What hasn't been said is that Mike Payne was involved in
something to do with ACIS while at Dassault. If Dassault had been more
sensible they could have rented ACIS.

TOP

 

"What hasn't been said is that Mike Payne was involved in something to
do with ACIS while at Dassault."

I believe Mike Payne was Spatial's CEO for quite some time. Might have
replaced Dick Sowar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACIS

Dick Sowar's latest venture:

http://www.freedesign-inc.com/

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

 

I just want to chip in with my support for Franco. I don't want to start
a fight with those who took issue with him, I'm just saying my peace.
Franco did an interview with me which he posted on his blog, and I think
the questions were well thought out and full of content. He said several
times that he prefers technical responses to his questions rather than
fluff. To me, that makes Franco a good guy.

Not everybody can be the guy who uses software to make cool stuff.
Somebody has to sell the software. Novedge seems like a cool company
because they run the blog and try to give some free information back to
users. The Novedge site is definitely commercial, but his blog is both
free and valuable. Franco is not a high-pressure sales guy, and he
offers a lot of cool software. I've recommended him to people looking
for that type of stuff.

The Spaceclaim "marketing" guy used to be a PTC application engineer. So
he has a technical background, and think this makes him pretty well
qualified to talk about the software. I'm soaking up as much info as I
can on the product because I believe that there is going to come a day
when I wish I had something like this. In terms of the licensing, I
don't think it matters one bit, aside from the part where the software
stops working when you stop paying.

I never thought I'd see the day when I was defending sales and marketing
guys against designers, but these aren't the bad guys.

 

"The Spaceclaim "marketing" guy used to be a PTC application engineer.
So
he has a technical background, and think this makes him pretty well
qualified to talk about the software."

Is there some reason you refuse to comment on a relevant issue like
how SpaceClaim is marketed and instead choose to ignore it?

"I never thought I'd see the day when I was defending sales and
marketing
guys against designers, but these aren't the bad guys."

I did. It's typical of the behavior you have demonstrated in this
newsgroup over the years. Now that you have a book to sell suddenly
you realize the value of marketing and of someone like Franco.

Did you ever apologize to Black Dragon for trying to get him fired
from his job and trying to get his ISP to dump him?

Your SolidWorks book is badly needed and so far it appears to be
excellent. I'm glad I purchased it. This does not change the FACT that
you're still an asshole and a phony.


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

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