Some architects are twisted

Discussion in 'AutoCAD' started by Paul Calman, Feb 11, 2005.

  1. Paul Calman

    Paul Calman Guest

    I found this on a welder's discussion group. They had an "interesting" time
    building it.
    http://metalworking.com/DropBox/tiltingroofline.JPG
    with CAD. The dimensions were given to hundreths of a mm. That indicated
    to me that the draftsman didn't have a clue about initially calling for his
    dimensions to be rounded off. The drawing were complete but confusing in
    what they left out.
    CCW and CW : the beams were twisted along their length by a custom
    bending shop down the street. 1.4 degrees twist every five feet is not much
    but necessary to get things so line up square and the beams meet each other.
    The beams joints are slightly off square. Because it is so slight you
    cannot set a protractor or bevel gauge on the joint. The only way was to
    confirm the diagonals across each bay. The diagonals differed about twenty
    mm or so.
    There were no bolt center dimensions on any part of the print. That
    mean't we had to trial bolt each adjacent framework as we fabricated it up.
    Taper pins were used often because the frames were quite flexible. We
    proped the frames in the skewed postion for the welders so that they didn't
    weld it up sitting flat.
    I still say today that I would not have liked to listen to those poor
    ironworkers putting this thing together. I am sure they even invented some
    new cuss words over this one.
    For the privacy of the owner I will only say that the structure is being
    built in the Vancouver area.
    The welding was pretty straightforward however the fitting.... that is
    why us fabricators make the extra couple of bucks :'))). <SNIP>
    ,,,there are two lines on the roof that are level. That means
    there is one beam line level running across the roof and at ninety degrees
    there is another. Those two lines are not in the center of the roof.
    What was a real pain was a 12 inch square half inch wall tube that ran
    diagonally across part of the roof. We had to cope both ends to fit the
    twelve inch beams and at the same time cut to allow the tube to drop in
    elevation.
    The perimeter framing was twelve inch beams with the flanges cut off
    until they were only two inches wide. It was like trying to work with
    spagetti."
     
    Paul Calman, Feb 11, 2005
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  2. Bad drafting aside, you've gotta do stuff like this to be cool these days.
    (If it ain't leaning or twisted, it's 'boring'.)
    It's a low point in the architectural what's hot/what's not cycle.
     
    Michael Bulatovich, Feb 11, 2005
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  3. Paul Calman

    clintonG Guest

    Actually, I disagree as the opportunity to have a market for expressive
    architecture has always been repressed by @holes in the government and the
    finance sectors claiming the expression was not safe or not salable or some
    other bullsh!t. Now that some customers have enough money to not have to
    give a rat's @ss a renaissance of expression is emerging.

    --
    <%= Clinton Gallagher
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    NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
    URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/



     
    clintonG, Feb 11, 2005
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  4. Paul Calman

    CW Guest

    This kind of thinking has lead the Seattle area to have some of the ugliest
    buildings on the planet.

     
    CW, Feb 12, 2005
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  5. Paul Calman

    Paul Calman Guest

    As a guy who works with metal, I think it's an interesting project. It would
    have a problem with snowloads here though.
     
    Paul Calman, Feb 12, 2005
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  6. Expression is not what it's all about, and
    governments are the biggest buyer of
    trendy expressionism. (They don't work for their money.)

     
    Michael Bulatovich, Feb 12, 2005
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  7. Paul Calman

    clintonG Guest

    Oh, I'm glad to learn your narrow minded opinion has become the arbitor of
    good taste.
    That must be why most 'architecture' in Canada looks like a barn from
    Wisconsin ;-)

    <%= Clinton Gallagher
     
    clintonG, Feb 12, 2005
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  8. Paul Calman

    clintonG Guest

    I like your thinking Paul but I don't see how there could be any concerns
    with snow loads. The assembly almost looks like its members are too heavy
    with framed interstitials left open for natural lighting or not fully
    assembled when the photo was taken. In any event, the modeling for these
    types of structures is now quite straight forward thanks to finite element
    analysis software. Cutting and any machining of members is similarly
    automated leaving the labor of assembly to be little more than a
    paint-by-number process.

    This particular project is best expressed in its structure that IMO once
    veneered will lose much of its wonder anyway.

    Now if somebody wants to argue 'twisted' they should take a look at
    Calatrava's recent 'calaclaptrap' condo project [1] noting this referral is
    not the best photo I could find right away.

    <%= Clinton Gallagher
    METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
    NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
    URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

    [1] http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/arts/architecture/10183/
     
    clintonG, Feb 12, 2005
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  9. My opinion is not in ascendance here in Canada or anywhere else at the
    moment,
    and cannot be blamed for the state of any architecture but my own, and even
    that
    has to be taken in context. That's my problem with Mr. Crystal or Mr. Blob:
    they always do the same thing no matter what site, client, context, budget,
    or program.
    They'll talk about context until your eyes glaze over, but the buildings are
    pretty much
    the same. That tells me they're perpetually on their 'greatest hits'
    tour.......

    Further, architecture in an urban context is a CIVIC art (my opinion again).
    To me that means
    demonstrating understanding of the place and the culture, including it's
    history,
    iconography etc., never mind the more private concern for functionality, An
    "expression above all" attitude doesn't worry itself about any of that.
    The worst thing about it is that as it becomes de rigeur, the less than
    clever start to
    copy the expressionist work of others and usually end up making a mess of
    it, so they
    don't even get that right, and the city is stuck with the cursed thing for a
    generation or two.

    As for why architecture is moving where it seems to be, I think new
    technology has a lot to do with it,
    but expressionism, and stuff like it, has come and gone many times through
    history. It's a cycle.
    Once the excesses of it are plain to a new generation of practitioners, I'll
    bet you see the
    other polarity of reason, or something posing as that, will be back. Then
    they will go too far.......
    and on it goes.

    Lastly, if your idea of Canadian architecture is that it's all, or even
    largely, barn-like,
    you obviously need to get to some big cities or at least look at some books.
    I suggest a
    weekend in Toronto. The current Canadian "look" is much more 'modern' than
    the
    average American fare these days. (My opinion again.) I'd be happy to show
    you some
    as long as you buy the beer. (We have pretty good beer up here too.)
     
    Michael Bulatovich, Feb 12, 2005
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  10. Paul Calman

    clintonG Guest

    I sure need to get out more often even if it meant I bought the beers :)

    BTW -- its probably going to make you feel like a neophyte (like it did me)
    but I finally learned I should just resize the OE newsreader window to a
    comfortable width and type until word wrap kicked in rather than continuing
    to guess where a wrap would/should occur by hard coding carriage returns
    which all too often resulted in line breaks in the middle of a sentence as
    your last reply shows.

    <%= Clinton Gallagher
     
    clintonG, Feb 12, 2005
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  11. It's a habit.

     
    Michael Bulatovich, Feb 13, 2005
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