Solidworks wants our top 10 suggestions

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by Life in Mono, Aug 23, 2006.

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    Life in Mono Guest

    this was posted in Eng-Tips.....

    Greg Jankowski, customer satisfaction manager for SolidWorks posted
    this survey for your top ten wants. He mentioned that he would followup
    with a summary of the results.

    So fill it out with your needed enhancements and/or bug fixes.

    http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=711482492767
     
    Life in Mono, Aug 23, 2006
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    TOP Guest

    I couldn't find it. Did he get red flagged?

    I did fill out the survey but only could think of four things.
     
    TOP, Aug 23, 2006
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    matt Guest

    It was posted under Gildashard, Jason Capriotti.

    I like this kind of thing, and I wish that SWW wasn't the only time it
    got a lot of attention. Users keep asking for fixes to existing stuff
    and sw keeps putting in new stuff that almost works. Disconnect somewhere.

    If anyone is having difficulty thinking of things to submit, here are
    the ones I submitted:

    #1

    Interface conventions. Things like
    - Tab to move focus from box to box
    - focus remains on entire cell for number entry (for entering say a
    radius value, now you have to swipe with the mouse or delete the
    existing number instead of just typing over it)
    - alphabetization of lists (look at the first page of Help, or the Save
    As list and try to find something)
    - Esc gets you out of a command or dialog or warning
    - spin boxes on callouts (variable rad fillets for example have callouts
    that are really awful to use - the focus doesn't allow you to just type,
    you have to select and type. and there are no spin arrows...)

    #2

    Put more effort into fixing details, less effort into new half-baked
    features

    #3

    Sketch relations (and assembly mates) are really terrible. These need to
    be absolutely rock solid. Sketching with splines is better than it was,
    but still very quirky.

    #4

    dragging underdefined arcs with tangent relations is extremely
    unpredictable. You can't tell if dragging this or that will change
    radius, center position or both.

    #5

    a non-hierarchical list of features. the ability to show the tree in
    straight history based progression, without the indented relationships,
    along with the ability to reorder without being constrained by
    relationships - relations go dangling if they have to to allow it

    #6

    When you have a sweep which uses a composite curve made of a projected
    curve made from two sketches, I want two things:
    1) The ability to rollback to the projected sketches in 1 step, not 4.
    2) The ability to redefine the pierce relation to the sweep path without
    deleting and recreating the sweep feature. (selecting the path from the
    FM doesn't count as a workaround because if it pierces the sketch plane
    more than once, you cannot specify which location will be chosen by
    selecting from the FM)

    #7

    Speed.

    - why does it take time to delete or reorder a suppressed feature?
    - why does it take any time at all to enter or exit a sketch at the
    bottom of the tree?
    - why does changing settings which don't change geometry require
    rebuilding a preview? for example, the Fill surface. if you change the
    switch to "Apply to all", but they are all already the same, it still
    rebuilds the preview.
    - why does the interface stall so long when trying to display an error
    message?

    #8

    3D planes and 3D sketch relations in general are unpredictable and
    nearly unusable (still)

    #9

    allow 0 and negative values, allow expressions in the dimension box and
    remember the expression, allow variable names and dimension names to be
    typed directly into the dimension box, allow link values to be created
    or assigned immediately when the dimension is created

    #10

    do something to allow control of plane normals. this becomes a problem
    when SW just decides that after a number of changes it is now going to
    flip the plane, and the sketches and features on it.
     
    matt, Aug 23, 2006
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    tjones2 Guest

    How about improving the sluggishness of large mult- sheet drawings,
    That is my #1 gripe.
     
    tjones2, Aug 23, 2006
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  5. Nice list,. Matt! I find it especially interesting that only one of the 10,
    #6, is at all exotic. The rest are things that almost all of us run into on
    a nearly daily basis.

    Jerry Steiger
    Tripod Data Systems
    "take the garbage out, dear"
     
    Jerry Steiger, Aug 24, 2006
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    fcsuper Guest

    More tolerant industry friendly software licensing practices by the
    SolidWorks company. Believe me, this is a usability issue! (The
    current direction being taken with 2007 is a move in the wrong
    direction). This can be done while reducing piracy if you realize the
    true size of your customer base.

    Make the Feature Tree area detachable (fly-out) from the Part Viewing
    Window (so I can open up more area on my monitor for viewing the part
    by moving the Feature Tree to my second monitor).

    A function that creates customized Custom Property Editors on-the-fly
    (without API). The edit Properities window is fine for general work,
    but often offers to much info at once.

    A function that allows on-the-fly copying of Custom Property Values
    from one visiable document to another (visiable or not), without API.

    Smarter Mate Reference fuctions

    Improved system performance. Perhaps create a utility that fines items
    slowing down a computer system which is geared towards S/W useage.

    Built in utility to quickly control the resolved/hidden status of all
    parts in an assembly from one window. Maybe employ old XtreeGold check
    marks functionality to the utility.

    Make the conversation between Inch and meter more acturate (to 8
    places). It really isn't just 25.4, and since S/W keeps track to 8
    places, it should have the correct conversation factor to that level as
    well. (I know this is a hella personal preference, but it's like, HEY,
    that really doesn't equal that at 8 places!)

    dragging underdefined arcs with tangent elations is extremely
    unpredictable. You can't tell if dragging this or that will change
    radius, center position or both. (ok, I borrowed this one. lol)

    Yes, I know that's nine, but it's enough for now.
     
    fcsuper, Aug 24, 2006
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    TOP Guest

    I eventually found it. I thought that Greg posted it.

    Performance was my #1.
    Stability was my #2

    Those two would improve delivery on complex and large assembly work by
    days or weeks for me.

    Bug fixes was #3
    Stop changing the user interface was #4

    Again for obvious bottom line reasons. The time wasted on each bug
    report and retraining time is another bottom line item.
     
    TOP, Aug 24, 2006
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    SteveO Guest

    fcsuper - Make the Feature Tree area detachable (fly-out) from the Part
    Viewing
    Window (so I can open up more area on my monitor for viewing the part
    by moving the Feature Tree to my second monitor).

    2007 doesn't allow you to remove it, but you can collapse it down like
    the Task Pane on the right.

    1 fix down and how many to go?

    Steve O
     
    SteveO, Aug 24, 2006
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    fcsuper Guest

    SteveO,

    I do that sometimes, even on 2005. I want to be able to see the work
    and open up as much area for the model view as possible, at the same
    time. Several engineers at my company complain (nice word) about this
    from time to time about this, so it's not just me. :) Even AutoCAD
    allowed a user to move the line command to a second monitor starting
    WAY back in 1990. It just seems strange to me that S/W locks the
    Feature Tree in place in the same window at the model view.

    Matt
     
    fcsuper, Aug 24, 2006
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    Craig Guest

    Isn't the international inch defined as being equal to 25.4 mm
     
    Craig, Aug 24, 2006
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  11. Thinking about it a bit more, I would like to add two more items to your
    list. To keep it down to 10, I have to (very reluctantly) replace two items
    I would replace this one with fixing multi-body parts and the feature scope.
    I would guess that about half of the serious problems we have are due to
    multi-body problems, particularly when the feature scope changes on its own
    which body a feature operates on.
    I would replace this one with making cuts with surfaces more robust. In
    particular, the direction of a cut often changes for no apparent reason.

    Both of these could be placed under your #2, "Put more effort into fixing
    details, less effort into new half-baked features", but so could most of the
    list. They cause an awful lot of wheel-spinning and cursing here.

    Jerry Steiger
    Tripod Data Systems
    "take the garbage out, dear"
     
    Jerry Steiger, Aug 24, 2006
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    Brian Guest

    Couple I'd like to see:
    -Editing a sketch and making no changes, or cancelling out, should not
    require a rebuild no matter where in the tree it is, nothing changed!

    -Printing a drawing should not flag it as having been changed ( ie. in need
    of saving ). This is a real pain when you have several drawings open, some
    changed, some not, and need to check into PDM or similar.

    -Having the "display arc centerpoints" option checked sometimes results in
    "zoom to fit" zooming waaaay out ( large radius 3d sketches ) to include
    displaying the centerpoint, and sometimes not. I'd like it to be
    consistant, and a settable option.

    -The inferred relationships of sketches is ambiguous at best. Some
    relationships display the icon indicating that it will be set, yet do not
    actually set the relationship ( midpoint of arc comes to mind ). Often more
    than one relationship exists within the mouse area ( ie. tangent to arc,
    horizontal, coincident, and quadrent can all be displayed at once although
    only one relationship is automatically placed ). Allow the user to chose
    which he wants ( maybe tab through them? ). This would also help when
    trying to place a line tangent to an arc at an angle of 89.5 degrees, its a
    crapshoot whether you'll get the tangent relationship, or you'll get a
    vertical one.

    -This may go with Matt's planar conventions. How vertical/horizontal axis
    of sketches get set is bizarre, at best. Two planes, one of which is an
    offset of the other, can have vertical axis that are 90 degrees from each
    other. Maybe that makes sense to someone, not me.

    -"Three point arc" has never worked as convention, and common logic, would
    dictate. You can select points for beginning and end, but the point
    defining radius must be clicked into the workspace then relationships added.
    It takes three points to define and arc.... everywhere but SW.

    -When exporting a dxf. Its origin should be definable. Using the paper
    space to define a dxfs origin is rarely useful to me. Most times I'd much
    rather have the parts origin be used as the dxfs origion ( 95% of the time
    or better ).

    -Twist control of loft sections simply sucks. It should be inferred that no
    twist is desired, operator intervention should be require to cause twist.
    Not several extra steps being taken to prevent twist.
     
    Brian, Aug 24, 2006
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  13. I hope you guys are filling out the survey as well as listing your items
    here.

    Bill
     
    bill allemann, Aug 24, 2006
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    matt Guest

    geez, how could I have forgotten that? good call, Jer.
    oh, yeah. and the cut with surface initially points the wrong way 100%
    of the time.
     
    matt, Aug 24, 2006
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    TOP Guest

    Catia, a division of Dassault does this with a hot key. The Feature
    Manager is an overlay on the working area. Very slick because they have
    a superiour feature tree in many ways.
     
    TOP, Aug 25, 2006
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    matt Guest

    SW07 uses F9 to hide the FeatureManager, F10 to hide the toolbars and
    F11 to make the graphics window go full screen. Nice improvements.

    It would be nice to see things more multiscreen friendly. The FM and
    the Task Pane would go to the other screen. Although with a 24"
    widescreen, it all works out pretty well on a single screen.
     
    matt, Aug 25, 2006
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  17. That's what I was saying to myself as I read through your list. So you're
    still ahead, Matt, 10 to 1.

    I get so used to working around the problems in the software that I find it
    hard to tell someone what is wrong with it. It helps a lot to have a beer in
    my hand and a bunch of like minded people around me, so we can feed off of
    one another's stories. Kind of like this group, but with beer!

    Jerry Steiger
    Tripod Data Systems
    "take the garbage out, dear"
     
    Jerry Steiger, Aug 25, 2006
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    matt Guest

    Yes, I guess you could call us your "beer" group, as in a group of your
    beers.

    Going to Nawlins this year?
     
    matt, Aug 25, 2006
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    TOP Guest

    F10 is my hotkey for screen captures.

    I have little use for the F keys for additional hot key functionality.
    I use F5 and F6 alot and that is it.

    The bottom line for me is that I don't care for these things if the
    major items like performance and stability are not fixed. What is the
    use in replacing a mouse drag that takes a fraction of a second with a
    hot key that might be a fraction of a fraction of a second quicker when
    compared to a 15 minute load of a drawing or redoing an hours work due
    to a crash. Just the time it takes SW to come back from a crash will
    replace many mouse drags on the feature tree.

    SW07 will stay on the shelf until it is proven stable. I have already
    been burned by 2006.
     
    TOP, Aug 25, 2006
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    matt Guest

    Can't give up your F10 screen capture? There's a new toolbar button for
    screen captures too. Hotkeys are far easier to manager with 07.

    I've been using 2007 for months, and the crashes have been few. I did
    have one part get bad on me, but that has been it in terms of stability.
    2 different computers, running well. Stability is not a problem with
    this release, at least in the corners of it that I've been banging on,
    which I know are different from the corners you've been banging on.

    Some of the new functionality in toolbox, spline sketching, assembly
    mates, Xperts, boundary surface and freeform are varyingly
    disappointing, but I have noticed some speed improvements particularly
    in opening files, and some things like the assembly isolate command, the
    new hotkey interface, the amazing difference in the Fill surface, undo
    improvements, equal relations in 3D sketch, new copy dims and relations
    functions, and some of the new error messages that stay out of your way
    have been the highpoints for me.

    I don't have any need to convince you of anything, but I'd hate to see
    you waiting for some perception which may never exist.
     
    matt, Aug 25, 2006
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