Solidworks vs AutoDesks Inventor pro 2008 version... It looks likeSW is a lot more intuitive and e

..

I spend two months on the first part of a 4 part Inventor training
course, and about half of part 2....not a bad course at all

My reviews of SW on thier site demonstrates a much more straight
forward approach..

can I get some comments on speed of learning SW as compared to
Inventor... a percentage estimate etc.





comments?



Phil Scott

 

Solid Edge in Synchronous Technology mode is far more intuitive than
either SolidWork or Inventor. You can see a direct comparison of
traditional history based parametric modeling (SolidWorks, Inventor,
Pro/E) to using Solid Edge in Synchronous Technology mode to model
with here:

http://jonbanquer.baywords.com/2008...ling-vs-modeling-with-synchronous-technology/

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.baywords.com

 

It is really difficult to compare with just one persons experience because
once you are familiar with one the other is a lot easier. You would have to
compare equivalent courses with first time learners.

Bob

 

How does this relate to how quickly can you learn SolidWorks vs Inventor?

Because life is too short to use a tool that doesn't work. Both
SolidWorks and Inventor suck at working with imported data. Neither
SolidWorks nor Inventor have high-level tools to figure out what
someone else's design intent is so you can easily modify their model.
Neither company does a good job of listening to customers who have
complained for years about the above.

In many cases it's faster to work on a SolidWorks file using Solid
Edge with Synchronous Technology than to use SolidWorks to work on a
native SolidWorks file!

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.baywords.com/

 

Apparently you ASSumed that the OP was working with imported data (many
people don't).

And you know this from working extensively with Solid Edge and the new
technology?

Better go back to your bog.

gk

 

In many cases it's faster to work on a SolidWorks file using Solid

And exactally how much time do you have actually working with Solid
Edge? Time spent reading press releases does not count. Your actual
inexperience with Mastercam has been clearly shown....I know you are
so proud of your "discovery" of your mask on arc bug that you think
it should be named after you like a comet...but did you ever wonder
why us people who actually do have some experiece never run across
this issue??? Due to the fact that you are such a douche I doupt that
you will ever get an answer...what with being banned from all the "big
name" forums, but I will make you a deal. YOU post some pics of YOU
using Solid Edge showing how it is making the company that YOU are
working for more $$$ & I will be happy to show why the the infamous
"Mask on Arc" bug doesn't affect people who know what they are doing.


hey yehonatan koos aho'tha ha'tzo'la'at

 

" "Mask on Arc" bug doesn't affect people who know what they are
doing."

Wrong. As is much of what you post.

Mastercam's Mask on Arc often doesn't work until you use Screen
Combine or physically rotate the geometry off its datum... something
I'd rather not do. The reason you have to use Screen Combine is
because Mastercam is poorly designed in this area. It's not a problem
in better designed systems. The Mask On Arc bug affects lots of people
who waste a lot of time with the problem. Should I put up quotes from
others who have admitted to wasting tons of time with this bug in
Mastercam?

This tip and many more will be posted on my blog so that it's
documented and other Mastercam users don't have to waste time figuring
it out.

http://jonbanquer.baywords.com/

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

 

How does this relate to how quickly can you learn SolidWorks vs Inventor?

Because life is too short to use a tool that doesn't work. Both
SolidWorks and Inventor suck at working with imported data. Neither
SolidWorks nor Inventor have high-level tools to figure out what
someone else's design intent is so you can easily modify their model.
Neither company does a good job of listening to customers who have
complained for years about the above.

In many cases it's faster to work on a SolidWorks file using Solid
Edge with Synchronous Technology than to use SolidWorks to work on a
native SolidWorks file!

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.baywords.com/

 

Im 67 years old myself... a consulting engineer but have always hired
the cad talent, never got very good with it myself. Lately Im
looking at doing some custom equipment on my own.. skid
manufacturing...and some race bike work, maybe an adjustable rake
retrofit for dirt oval racing (im running a 600cc rotax powered custom
frame)... www.rotax.net see the pics section.


Phil scott

 

Thanks Jon.. I looked at their web site and signed up for the
maillings... when do you think it will be on the market, at what price
points, and can i get a beta version early for one of my clients to
try?


Phil Scott

 

Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology has already shipped to Siemens/
UGS VAR's so they can get up to speed. Beta testing is over. I'd say
you will see the actual product shipping in the next 4 to 6 weeks or
sooner. At that point your clients should be able to get trial
versions of Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology. Price is going to
start around $5,000.

I hear Siemens may also be a SolidWorks trade in / trade up program.
Siemens is going to be very aggressive in putting the pressure on
SolidWorks and Autodesk Inventor.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.baywords.com/

 

wonderful, thanks for the info...

Phil Scott

 

Moron.
"design intent"
The new stuff from UG does not know either.
It makes guesses.
And, in the case of at least SE, IF USED, trashes
the original parametrics & history.
They even very clearly warned you.

 

Have you actually ever done this?
Nope.
Do you actually use either system?
Nope.

Why do you want to trash the original part files,
as created by real users?

Not very bright. Nobody ever claimed that you were
though so keep up the demonstrations.
I like them <G>.

 

Neither did the two he sent his original IGES file to for simple
help either.

Clearly he still has no clues how they resolved the so-simple
matter by (VERY SIMPLE) proper use of MasterCAM even after
they tried to tell him what he was doing wrong (clueless beginner's
idiocy for ANY system).

He did not even *understand* the words, IMO. They wer not
from ads, just simple stuff like actually having circles/arcs
& using the proper WCS .... (hard to select circles to drill
in 3 axes if they are canted relative to the machining coordinate
system, with half-way decent software & inside a "drill here"
command structure ... it has some idiot-proofing & we know who
the all-so-clueless perfect idiot is).

 

Phil,
As you seem new here so be warned about banquer.
He's all ads & buzzwords and pretty clueless about
anything.

His "advice" is usually worth far less than you paid for it
and often dead wrong (he's confused by the pretty words).

Not knocking SE or anything ... just warning about poor
clueless.

BTW, For what you seem to want to do all of this might
be expensive overkill with a steep learning curve.... and
nothing mentioned thus far is even a top-end CAD/CAM
system.

HTH

 

That's probably actually the "Combine Views".
Too bad about the "technical" words, eh?

<Snicker>
So you have to "rotate" the part's geometry to match some randomly chosen
WCS?
No clues what they are for or how to use them, eh?

Or about views either or their relationships
to possible coordinate systems ...

How long did you rotate the part?

It would indeed be pretty funny if you ever tried to make a
"drawing" with "views".

Well, that's because you are so clueless.

 

wonderful, thanks for the info...

No problem.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

 

DAMN stalker boi! WTF? Stop crossposting snipped on topic posts in here?
Maybe some of the rest of us would like to actually read them? If your gonna
snip just so you can look witty while trolling, snip off alt.machines.cnc.

 

Cliff is going through withdrawal now that Jon's blob is down again.
LOL

Hey Cliff!
You can probably get your fix from the Google original. Jon said his bit of
intellectual poverty had been restored there.