SolidWorks 2005 Surface Tangency

Remember Constance ?
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/7d35063394fbda31?dmode=source

 

Currently serving time in jail (again) in Flordia, John. The reason you felt
this was neccessary to bring up was ?

jon

 

Geez, Louise!! Well, however much that looks bad (very bad) it's still
not verifiable. I'm not here to defend Jon, however. Just to point out
it brings the newsgroup down to stoop too low.

 

Her mental illness is now verifiable. That she is currenlty serving
time(again) in jail in Florida is verifiable. That she admitted to lying
might be verifiable if the person she admitted it to wants to post
about it.... and that's his choice not mine.

jon

 

Mitch,

IMO the Rhino newsgroup is a product loyalist newsgroup. Lets remove me
from the picture for one moment and try and look at this objectively.

Michael Gailey has used the product (Rhino) for years. He was sick of
paying and paying for upgrades and he has still has not gotten decent
filleting in Rhino after all these years.

What do the Rhino loyalists in McNeel's newsgroup do.... bash him
for asking for something so outrageous as decent filleting. At one point,
Michael Gailey had a ton of stuff that he did in Rhino on his website. He
has since removed it.

I really don't want any part of the mentality that exists at McNeel and that
they foster in their newsgroup *but even more important* I don't feel that
one should have to jump between a surface and a solid modeler. I think one
program with a transparent approach to using surface and solid tools is the
way to go and I have said this in both of these newsgroups for many years
now.

I await a file from you that you think can not be fixed in VX and can be
fixed in Rhino as I would enjoy the challenge and perhaps learn something
that I don't know now.

jon

 

I'm not hard to shut up. All you have to do is show me / describe to me
the tools in SolidWorks or Inventor or ? that do what can be done in
VX.

Is there any reason you *STILL* can't name them ? :>)

jon

 

Those were some awefully eye opening statements made by someone
that claims to be your wife Jon

FYI, Link above by Cliff,

http://news2.mcneel.com/scripts/dne...arch_before=0&search_match=&search_sort=score

7th down

"Heath" , 2 Dec 2003
http://news2.mcneel.com/scripts/dnewsweb.exe?cmd=article&group=rhino&item=148308&utag=

Frankly, I was kind of appalled to read it. True or not true Jon?

Serving time in jail, with comments that should have not been
broadcast to the public forum that I'll agree, but is it correct to say
that this persons statements made about you by a person that claims
to be your wife, would in fact discredit this person from ever telling
the truth at all, is that what you are saying Jon ?

John

 

"... they are simply users like myself, and they want to understand what
these conditions mean in therms of day to day applications - i.e. "Why is a
curvature continuous "joint" advantageous or not, where should I consider
using these kinds of tools?"

Agreed but then "The Virus" has no concept of practicality. An example would
be his inabilty to understand what goes on in a small job shop. How many
people who actually work in small job shops have pointed this out to "The
Virus" now ?

Bill Roberto
Bottlebob
Michael Gailey
Steve Mackay
Michael At Tailgate
Jon Baker
..... The list goes on and on.

The world has radically changed from "The Virus" days of working for huge
companies (about a year is all he could ever last even at a big company in
their heyday) and "The Virus" has never been able to deal with how the
world has changed.

"The Virus" is a perfect example of why most small job shops don't want
anything to do with those who worked for a big company for many years....
they need to get product out the door.

It's better, faster and easier tools that are needed in what is now an
extremely difficult and hostile manufacting climate for U.S. based companies
that don't have some sort of lock or monoploy on their market.

I would argue that VX is one of those tools if one needs to create and
modify cosmetically pleasing products quicky.

jon

 

"Those were some awefully eye opening statements made by someone
that claims to be your wife Jon"

They were comments made by someone who have never taken her
metal condition seriously and it has caused her the inability to lead
any kind of a normal life.

She is now being treated while she is serving time in jail in Florida.
Whether she continues treatement when she gets out is another story.

Her track record in this area is not good and things have gotten much
worse for her in the last four years living in Florida.

Can you tell us why anything to do with Connie is relevent in a thread on
SolidWorks 2005 Surface Tangency ?

jon

 

Seems to me like it's pretty much on par for this newsgroup and it's
certainly old ground for alt.machines.cnc.

How soon before the incident that I had with a Vero rep at Westec comes up
and gets rehashed yet again ?

What I can't figure out is how this relates in anyway to SolidWorks 2005
Surface Tangency.

I can see where it's a deflection effort to discredit me and get the focus
off what the needed tools for SolidWorks are and that other programs
don't suffer from this limitation.

jon

 

If "each surface" is made of patches .... it's not like a group of
entities BTW. It's all one entity (has only one entity pointer/index)
in the part database structure.

How so? IF you change even one control point on one surface
you can lose all "relationships" with adjacent surfaces.

Think of an arc tangent to two lines (just to give jb a headache)
and move one of it's controlling points (arcs can also be defined by 3
points, right?) ....

Was that a yes or a no? (By now jb's head is taffy inside.)

And they scale well? LOL ....
Temp files are temp files ... ask jb to explain the math & logic
<G>.

 

Jon I posted a question to Cliff regarding his links, mind if I read
through them.? Actually, after reading it I was curious with what
happened to your wife, that thread will be five years old soon,
anyways it brings up another point, if you are that alarmed about it,
I suggest you find the means to have it removed from the server.

Can anyone help Jon find those answers ?

It might help if you just came out and said NO way John that's bullshit!,
my wife and I we were separated, Constance is on medication for
treatment of mental illness. In my opinion, turning her into a
paranoid perpetual liar 99 percent of the time.

I suppose if anyone were malicious enough they could buy public
records Jon Banquer to cause discredit, then post them to the usenet.

John

 

Translation: jb has no clue and his pretense of actually knowing
anything about CAD, CAD/CAM, CAM, design, engineering or
machining, much less being any sort of expert at any of it,
just fell apart again <VBSEG>.

 

How is it a "can o'worms" when the user of the program has no idea how the
internal 3D surfacing toolpath really works ?

I do remember reading something from a HyperMill VAR years ago which said
that HyperMill was superior to DelCAM PowerMill because it used triangles to
calculate the toolpath and that this was somehow more accurate.

I think the only way to tell would be to cut a two parts with similar 3D
surfacing toolpath routines and compare the machining time of each and
measure the accuracy of the cut part. I guess one could also compare the 3D
surfacing toolpath calculation times as well to see which one was faster.

In any case, I think this thread has not got "The Virus" that Bill Roberto
described and we are now off in contemplate your navel land.

jon

 

Anyone want to look up jb's many posts extolling Rhino
as the best thing since sliced bread?

LMAO !!!!

 

1+1=2

HTH

 

"Jon Banquer is a joke"

I've never said otherwise <G>.

 

Mitch,

"paying and paying for upgrades" That's a hoot. I can tell you exactly how
much Michael or anyone else had to pay for upgrades. If Michael bought
Rhino in 1998 when it hit the market, it cost $800 (per seat). An upgrade
to 1.1 cost $300 IIRC. An upgrade to 2.0 cost $0 (it was free). An upgrade
to 3.0 cost $300. So, from 1998 to 2005, "paying and paying for upgrades"
amounts to twice in the amount of $600 per seat - around $100 a year. That
ain't very expensive.

Nobody's contesting the fact that Rhino's filleting is not one of it's
strongest points. It wasn't *what* Michael asked for (as I have asked
repeatedly for the same thing, and I've never gotten bashed for it), it was
*how*. In that way, his approach is a lot like yours, drop in and start
ranting. In addition he has some issues with a couple of members of the
Rhino group (a lot like you have here) and thus, you can imagine he got
plenty of flak. I'm sorry it worked out that way, but there's nothing I can
do about that. So be it.

Anyway, Michael's found something else that works better for him, fine. I
have no problem with that. Neither with you.

Nobody's forcing you to participate... There seem to be a host of other
Rhino forums out there, even on cadchat, right next to yours, so you can go
post over there if you feel like. I don't see you posting on the official
VX hosted user forums - is that too much of a "product loyalist" forum for
you as well?

Fine, that's your way of going about it and you're welcome to it.
Personally, I hope Rhino doesn't try to become another MCAD app like VX or
SW or ProE or whathaveyou. There's no need for that, and that market niche
is filled. I hope Rhino continues to march to the beat of a different
drummer, and stays the Swiss Army Knife of 3D CAD. Let me know when more
cars, boats, buildings, jewelry, shoes, CG for films, etc. are being
designed with VX than with Rhino...

Personally, in my job I just don't need the concept of parametric history
tree based modelers (sorry SW guys). Why? There's too much baggage
associated with it. I prefer a direct real-time approach where you can grab
a part of the model and just move it as you like. No sketches to go into
and edit, no regenerations. But hey, those are just my personal
preferences, and I wouldn't pretend to say what's right for you.

I'll be happy to send you one when I have time to test. Right now I'm
sending you a tiny little IGES file that doesn't import well into VX (or
maybe I did something wrong). It comes in just fine in Rhino, Vellum Argon,
and Surfcam (the only other programs I have here to test). I'm sure you can
fix it, though, it's not complicated. Let me know if you have import
settings or tools that fix it automatically, I'd like to know.

I also have a much bigger file (0.5 meg) that Rhino actually fillets better
than VX. But I'm also sure there will be plenty of objects that VX will
fillet better than Rhino. C'est la vie...

 

He's probably wrong yet again.
OTOH Nobody ever claimed he had a clue.

The poor girl ... not even 5 feet tall ......

So you have the kids now? Paying the child support at long,
long last? Or still in hiding from lawyers?

 

You don't seem to know much about either?