Solid edge .. progress... new laptop

thanks... that un fuzzes me quite a bit... not so hard paying
maintenance fees if it includes the later releases.

Phil scott

 

Is that $1,500 per year per seat?

Right.

Jerry Steiger

 

BTW, what, if any, tools did they provide for migrating your
prior Inventor files, libraries, etc?
And what have you found about vendor-supplied SE
models/parts/libraries/etc. for use with SE?
And what of your downstream users (fabrication & etc.)?
Can you easily translate your files for their needs?

 

they probably have some but i havent looked into it yet

I looked briefly but have forgotten the details...they do have a
fairly
large library. for myself its not overly critical as I will be
designing my
own generic types of model pumps, compressors and etc..a few comon
valves
and the like, frames and weldments and using those mostly.

it will be a fairly limited library but more specialized... i can draw
up most of
it from scratch in a day or two. then just scale the parts to fit the
latest
project... many will be ocomplex though, sectionable to show internals
in many
cases so my details and 'walk through's' will be hot.

I hope with synchrous I can get some of the more complex items from
the manufacturers.
things like big screw compressors, showing all internals.... that sort
of thing is not
going to be in the typical cad vendors library... but via online links
to mfgrs.

**
I did a phone interview for a salary job today...pays about half as
much as I make free lancing..but I did the interview hoping not to
hear the usual mealy mouth blather and assinine questions. they
wanted serious talent...but still I couldnt bring myself to speak
to the guy.. he spent the first 5 minutes jabbering about how sorry he
was for calling me 4 minutes late.


I cant even be civil with most of those in the A and E bidness
anymore. . I told the guy when he asked resume questions..., 'its
written in perfect english, read it'... he went into shock for a
minute I think.


Im only dealing with end users and contractors these days... now the
recruiter hates my guts, I was mean as hell with him also.

Something is wrong with the entire scene... you have people with
marginal or no skill sets or life experience trying to hire or manage
talent with various coersions... wall to wall bogusness... its
decimated american industry I think.

and they want it cheap by the hour, never mind that you could get the
job done in half a day by yourself.. they want to hire an office full
of idiots to do it in 6 months so they can bill the client cost plus.



Phil scott

 

Professionalism works.

& who knows that you might not wind up being able to hire your own
small group of guys to help do a project if required?

More than one way to skin a retard.

 

yes, professionalism works, Id do well to keep that a bit better in
mind.

However its
most commonly used to mask eye watering levels of incompetence... just
drives pore
ol philsie here nutz...

I usually nail them to the cross. today on the phone I couldnt
restrain myself, I should have taken charge of the conversation and
interviewed him and
run my agenda instead of letting the guy go on and on with blather.

I think underlying my less than optimal behavior was a completely
earnest desire to
insure that no way in hell would I end up back in someones engineering
office doing
11 hours days, sandwiched between idiots, for half of what I make in
a pleasant 4 to 6 hour
day now,

I had 27 men at peak in the 80's...(tradesmen talent)I ended up
working too hard.. going it alone is more pleasant for me. with a
lot of men you do a lot of sales, negotiations and quoting etc.
burns up a lot of time.

these days Im living a low overhead life style, dont have the need to
keep too busy.. its
very nice for this old fart.

Phil scott

 

And a trip down to Morro Bay for some R&R, abalone, scallops, Pismo
clams and lobster can asuage a lot of B.S.

 

that is correct... except I dont put up with any bs at all... so its a
pure
pleasure, none wasted on assuagements. when you get older you see
that it never paid at any point to put up with any crap at all... it
ruins a person.

a while back I sold my business and went on the road consulting, so I
could see
the inside of the heavy stuff, nuc plants, heavy industry. large
systems etc and
knock elbows with all the engineering genius out there.

well there was damn little of the latter... and wall to wall eye
watering levels of completely
insane corruption and incompetence...and while I didnt cater to it
much at all, in fact
I blew the whistle on some of the nuclear issues.. it still decimated
my abilities as
an entrepreneur...it took me 10 years out of that loop to recover and
get some of my
entrepreneurial moxie back.

it is my current view that a person is better off starving to death
under a bridge than putting
up with any crap.... I see those that have catered to it, then become
part of the mess.

the bulk of corporate america... and govt... These become diseased
human beings...
the disease itself to a large extent. some exceptions of course. but
not the rule.

these become pathogens








Phil scott

 

its probably still available to those currently running SW, Inventor,
and half a dozen others in that range, they had to call the factory
though to see if they would upgrade against IV for me... so its new to
them.

.. they need to
see the discs is all... not yer entire life history so to speak....
the feeling i got was
that they want you on SE, and with the new synch package coming out
they think they can dominate and want
all the leverage they can get at the start... you do have to agree to
take the maintenance service in writing, they didnt specify the
charge, its probably between 1500 and 1800 a year (IV is 1800).. not
cheap. .. but it includes
the new revisions, and there will no doubt be one or two a year for a
while... combined with the 'upgrade discount' you end up paying
quite a bit less than half the retail price for SE in year one... you
can look the retai price up on the seimens site. (a tad udner 7k).


if your var wont cut a deal, check around.


if you work in or operate a larger company that they want to penetrate
with SE sycnh, I think you could
cut an even better deal... they also offer a 30 day free trial... my
intro package i got at first had a 60 day limit on it.

My guess it will last for sure until the synch package comes out in
two or three weeks, then if synch is not a run away hot item in the
market, the deal would last longer.... even after that, many of these
companies offer upgrade deals against the competition...

My guess though, if it works well, there will be no deals at
all..maybe in a year or two...and the retail price will probably go
up. IF it performs. they said they would not be releasing SE
synch as kernels into other mfgrs
software, they would keep that propretary..they said it will take 5 or
10 years for the competition to catch up.

I did notice though that they are selling other vendors their killer
3D 'shape' search feature though..thats impressive as hell.. I dont
know why they would do that but they are, its on thier web site, you
can see a demo.


Btw they recomended Dells M6300 laptop with 512 nVida card.... (ebay
deals are about half list) its not any faster or maybe even slower
than my cheapo, 2 year old compaq, AMD laptop with ATI card.....
maybe the M6300 is needed for the synch features, i dont know. (intel
now promises better architecture for vector graphics..by 2009 or
10).. If i wanted the hottest set up it would be amd with ati
card. .. even a cheaper laptop with those features might work real
well.





Phil scott






i shouldnt nemtion numbers, see your VAR

 

I am going to want to se SEdge running on a MacBook Pro. I don't want
to run 2 machines anymore.

Bo

 

Im trusting one of the worlds largest companies, with a reputation to
uphold, providing world class service to date... and a desire to
dominate the cad market will behave responsibly..thats been their
history at least.

I wouldnt sign such a contract in other situations. .. additionally
any maintenance fee they apply will have to meet the market and
competition and all others who want maintenance will have to pay
it..... they know that, I know that.

its not an issue.



Phil scott

 

Yup, run SWks under both modes, but SE also runs native on OSX 10.5 as
I understand it, with Apple having been the first beta user.

 

I think a newbie or two got mixed in on the roll out..

Phil scott

 

Siemans Unigraphics NX & SolidEdge both support Windows, UNIX, Linux,
OSX if I remember right.

Now all we need is SolidWorks!

I REALLY do NOT want to move to another CAD package unless I get
pushed.

I hate babying Windows to make sure it works (just SolidWorks and
MSOffice and NOTHING else). I have had over a half dozen friends
using Windows (with 2 in the last month) who simply were fed up and
went out and bought the low end Mac Books, and they both admitted they
should have done it years ago. The last guy converted after Win XP
simply refused to log onto WiFi networks no matter what he did.

Bo

 

I doubt that banquer could sell shoes ....

 

The var made another interesting comment. According to him Siemens is

My Siemens VAR wrote this to me about a month ago in regards to Solid
Edge with S/T:

"Trials will not be available until this version is released."

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

 

Pat,

What SolidWorks Corp is really good at is marketing. Solid Edge has
always been a decent product but UGS didn't know how to market with
VAR's to small businesses and that's why Solidworks really dominates.
The SolidWorks VAR network is the best in the industry by far at
selling product. No one even comes close.

I think it will take sometime for Siemens to get their act together
marketing wise. You can't build a great VAR network in weeks or
months. It takes years. It seems to me that Siemens still has a lot to
learn. Not matter what Siemens says it's not going to be easy to gain
market share and they are going to have to offer major incentives for
people to buy Solid Edge with S/T. SolidWorks market share was hard
won and they used gorilla-marketing techniques for years with Joe
Dunne and Vic Leventhal who I think was Joe Dunne's boss back then.
It's not easy to gain market share and Siemens will sooner rather than
later have to offer incentives for people to switch... even to people
using Ashlar Vellum Cobalt. :>)

Just wait a little and let the market come to you. When it does make
sure to send me a nice consulting check. ;>)

In the mean time read Matt Lombard’s blog, it's hilarious watching
Siemens get Matt Lombard to beg and beg and beg for a free copy of
Solid Edge with S/T. I can't remember the last time I laughed so
hard.

BTW, I do think you have the right idea shopping VAR's.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

 

"As I posted: End of July, early August. I also posted you can hold me
to this time frame." - jon banquer Jul 9 2008

<Snicker>
-- \
Cliff

 

Whose territory are you in?

 

It may be that those in charge of the SE roll out are not entirely
familiar with the cad environment and have made
a few decisions that reflect that... discussing the issue up lines
with the pro's at SE corporate has gotten such
decisions reversed in my case.. also that i drop IV instantly and
switch to SE over night in order to get the deal... wiser heads
understood and the situation was fixed.

Phil scott