Sheet metal twist??

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by John H, Mar 21, 2006.

  1. John H

    John H Guest

    Is it possible using sheet metal commands (or others) to twist an object,
    equivalent to holding a plastic ruler by its ends and twisting one end
    through 90deg?

    I can get an approximation of this effect using a loft, but it's not
    visually perfect, and it can't be unfolded.

    I've also had a go with the "deform" tool, but I couldn't get that to work.

    I'm on SW2004sp5.
    Has this capability been added since?

    TIA
    John Harland
     
    John H, Mar 21, 2006
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  2. John H

    Colinmb Guest

    SW2005 has the flex feature that will allow the type of twist that you
    are looking for.
     
    Colinmb, Mar 21, 2006
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  3. John H

    Colinmb Guest

    But it wont flat pattern the flex feature.
     
    Colinmb, Mar 21, 2006
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  4. John H

    Colinmb Guest


    Have you tried a lofted bend?
     
    Colinmb, Mar 21, 2006
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  5. John H

    Leo_Jensen Guest

    Can you unfold anything, that is not linear bends ? This deformation
    will stretch the material on the edges and is therefore not linear.

    Leo
     
    Leo_Jensen, Mar 21, 2006
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  6. John H

    Jason Guest

    In this case, aren't you starting with the flat?
     
    Jason, Mar 21, 2006
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  7. John H

    mjlombard Guest

    mjlombard, Mar 21, 2006
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  8. John H

    seon Guest

    John H skrev:
    If you simply like to have it like the ruler you mentioned, do like
    this:
    1) Select a plane and sketch a line with the midpoint in origin. The
    length should be as the width of the "ruler". Close the sketch.
    2) Create another plane in a distance (Ruler length) from the first
    plane and sketch a line on this, 90deg to the first line.
    3) Select Insert/Sheet Metal/Lofted bends. Select the two sketches and
    enter the material thickness.
    There you have your twisted "ruler" and it is possible to flatten.
     
    seon, Mar 22, 2006
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  9. John H

    John H Guest

    Thanks for the suggestion. I hadn't noticed "lofted bend" under the sheet
    metal menu, and for a minute I thought it was going to be the ideal
    solution.

    I can create a "twisted ruler" with the command, but what if I want to (say)
    grip the ruler 1/3 the way in from each end and twist the middle 1/3 only,
    leaving the ends flat (or with other tabs etc)?

    It seems like lofted bends only work if they are the first and only sheet
    metal feature in the part.
    Is this the case?
     
    John H, Mar 22, 2006
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  10. John H

    Ben Eadie Guest

    I am not sure but could you pull a 8888 0 degree edge flange bend off
    the end?

    Ben

    I am not at my computer to test this so I am not sure if this is
    possible, probably not as the end would be scalloped in the unfoled
    state therefore not a flat edge to pull the flange....
     
    Ben Eadie, Mar 24, 2006
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  11. John H

    Ben Eadie Guest

    I am not sure but could you pull a 0 degree edge flange bend off the end?

    Ben

    I am not at my computer to test this so I am not sure if this is
    possible, probably not as the end would be scalloped in the unfolded
    state therefore not a flat edge to pull the flange....
     
    Ben Eadie, Mar 24, 2006
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  12. John H

    John H Guest

    Ben,
    I don't seem able to do any sheet metal commands on it.

    John
     
    John H, Mar 24, 2006
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    seon Guest

    Unfortunately there seems to be some limitations. I. e. it is not
    possible to use more than two profiles for the lofted bends.
    This will probably create some stretching and deforming and SolidWorks
    couldn't handle this.
    For this type of sheet metal features I believe a software like
    FastBlank is required. This is possible to integrate with SolidWorks as
    a plug in.
     
    seon, Mar 27, 2006
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  14. John H

    Ben Eadie Guest

    Curious..

    Here, try this (it is not a solution to the problem but interesting none
    the less.

    Sample models of what I have discussed here are at
    http://members.shaw.ca/b.eadie/Twist.zip

    Make two parts part one will have a line sketch on the front plane, next
    make a plane some arbitrary distance from the front plane and parallel.
    sketch another line (both lines are mated at the midpoint to the origin)
    the same length at 90 degrees and loft a sheet metal part on this and
    flatten it. The resulting flat pattern has arcs at the ends.

    Next make another part and draw a circle with a diameter to match the
    length on the line in part one on the front plane and create a 90 degree
    helix at the same distance the planes are separated in part one. do this
    again and crate another helix but at 180 degrees out from the other at
    the same rotation (counter clockwise if that is what you used). Next
    create 2 3d sketches based on one of the helixs'. and another for the
    other helix (sheet metal will not loft off of a helix) and then loft a
    sheet metal part off the 2 3d sketches and look at the flat pattern. it
    is perfectly square....

    I wonder if on some of my lofted bends in the past could have been much
    simpler if I had used a different modeling technique? This non
    conformity for the flat pattern is most likely the reason we cant add
    anything to a lofted sheet metal part as given it is the same part but
    two possible flat patterns then there is some problems with the lofting
    algorithm.

    Ben






    ..
     
    Ben Eadie, Mar 27, 2006
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  15. John H

    John H Guest

    Hi Ben,

    I can't open your parts because I'm on SW2004.

    John
     
    John H, Mar 28, 2006
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  16. John H

    Ben Eadie Guest

    Sorry I don't have 2004 so I cannot help you the text can walk you
    through building the models though

    Ben
     
    Ben Eadie, Mar 28, 2006
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  17. John H

    cooperdj Guest

    I have been trying for days to do the same thing. Have you found a way
    yet. I have been trying to use the louver idea in Sheet Metal |
    Forming Tool. While it will not give me a flattened sheet metal part
    it could get me to what I want as a finished product. But no luck yet.
    David C.
     
    cooperdj, Apr 12, 2006
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  18. John H

    cooperdj Guest

    I have been trying for days to do the same thing. Have you found a way
    yet. I have been trying to use the louver idea in Sheet Metal |
    Forming Tool. While it will not give me a flattened sheet metal part
    it could get me to what I want as a finished product. But no luck yet.
    David C.
     
    cooperdj, Apr 12, 2006
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