SE, not actually out of the shippers hands yet..

I got shippers tracking data.. it wont ship until aug 25th though...
so maybe i will have it by friday if Im not inland in the 110F heat
doing a controls job by then.


Judging by the apparent rush, fits and starts on this entirely new
solids modeling approach. Im expecting a fast paced series of updates
and new releases for the first year or three.

My guess is that before its over a lot of folks are going to be
interested in porting it to Linux, or anything but the vesper like
vagaries of billy gates's stunningly massive hair ball.




Phil scott

 

Jb with his secret sources sez it was released .... several
times already ... hold him to the July ... he said you could ...
I suggest his feet to the fire again ....

 

Watch in the UG newsgroup as to how it's working out in UG.
It should partly trickle-down to SE from there (UG) with time. Partly.
OR it might be a dead end with the actual users. Time will tell.

 

it seems that 'released' in this case means .. released for
production, not shipped.
and shipping means sent to the shipper for delivery. and actual
shipment is confirmed by the shipper.. in this case a week later.

not so bad... just evidence of pushing the envelope a bit.


In any event, its breakthrough software if all goes
even remotely well, in a world where 6 months to a year delays are
common, then the product V1 is buggy as hell or even stays buggy.
So SE was a week or so behind some of the vendor rhetoric, thats
nothing in this context.

Phil scott

 

I should have a pretty good read on what it can do, and how easily it
can do it at the illustrator level at least, after a day or so on the
first tutorials this friday or sat. If it shows promise expect me
to be quite effusive about it... personally I think it will be
virtually bug free and easy for the type of work I do.

It will be at your level where the real test will come.


Phil scott

 

Actually Phil, it can be downloaded as of today from the UGS ftp site.

--
Ken

it seems that 'released' in this case means .. released for
production, not shipped.
and shipping means sent to the shipper for delivery. and actual
shipment is confirmed by the shipper.. in this case a week later.

not so bad... just evidence of pushing the envelope a bit.


In any event, its breakthrough software if all goes
even remotely well, in a world where 6 months to a year delays are
common, then the product V1 is buggy as hell or even stays buggy.
So SE was a week or so behind some of the vendor rhetoric, thats
nothing in this context.

Phil scott

 

thanks... maybe anyone can download it for a free 30 day trial... that
would be a smart move. they are sending me a disc and a book
though.. I will wait.

It would be good to hear what Cliff thinks of ST.


Phil scot

 

Nope. I'm unlikely to have an actual opine, unlike jb
who has ever seen or used ....
What will matter is what the systems managers & AEs
at large installed customer bases think & do over time.
How much risk to their enterprises do they see now?
None of them (if sane) are going to jump right away
though many will do some testing in non-production
environments.
Their main concern right off should be how to disable
the new feature IF they upgrade to the latest release.
Remember that its a one-way street if used and
would you be willing to risk all your data to it?
Plus, it *may* wipe out much of your prior parametric data
when it invents it's new stuff (AND forces users to, in effect,
redo many things).

Time will tell. Clueless will not.

 

Shipping or not doesn't matter, as it likely will be fraught with bugs
for months.

 

This is the "full" version for those SE customers on maintenance. It was
announced on the customer SE newsgroup.

--
Ken

thanks... maybe anyone can download it for a free 30 day trial... that
would be a smart move. they are sending me a disc and a book
though.. I will wait.

It would be good to hear what Cliff thinks of ST.


Phil scot

 

Your thinking SolidWorks

--
Ken

Shipping or not doesn't matter, as it likely will be fraught with bugs
for months.

 

I would think most people will simply copy files to SE synch when they
want that capability.. leaving the original files unmolested. they
could do that with an entire project of course. leaving the orginal
files in tact.


development done in ST though wouldn't be exportable back to the
original from what I can tell... so in that case, that particular set
of edits done in ST would have to stay in ST..... that would not be
the slightest problem in some cases... but would be prohibitive in
others. done that way i dont see any of the history issues you
mention as problems.

for instance you would not take one close tolerance highly integrated
part from an assembly in SW for instance and edit it in synchronous
out of context with its larger assembly as a rule.... you would take
the entire assembly and edit it in context as with ST

when you change for instance a shaft size the bore size of the bearing
would increase unless you locked that in place...(since its a standard
bearing)... that would then preclude your changing the shaft size.

If the shaft were simply passing through an opening however that would
increase to fit the shaft with the clearance selected. you wouldnt
have to edit a hole sketch.

for minor edits that shouldnt be an issue in most cases, you can
always run a stress analysis on the part to see if the increase hole
size is a problem.


The youtube vids are pretty good on this... you can see both the
potentials and natural limitations... they use 'smart rules'... for
instance maintaining clearances, and flange depths etc as you edit...
if your edit exceeds the rules, say for overall width etc you are
alerted to drop that rule or accept the limitation.




Phil scott

 

I doubt you can use any of the "new" ST-modified files in the original
SE.

The history-based parametrics were developed for their advantages
& ease of use (see Pro-E) even though they were poor at many tasks.
We had explicit modelers long before.

That's a banquer.

The bearing is a different purchased part number. Has to change
AND have design & parts list reviewed/checked by a human.

Rules .... another fine kettle of fish from the ST.

Somebody must develop & maintain them.
http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/products/nx/prog_custom/kbp.shtml

There's a PDF file there I think.

 

This leaves out clueless <G>.