Rivets

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by JKimmel, Jul 6, 2006.

  1. JKimmel

    JKimmel Guest

    This is a picture of a mock up section of a helicopter tail boom I did.
    The design criteria were that it take 1 day of engineering and 1 day
    of assembly to make it. It's about 5' wide. I didn't meet the design
    goals.

    http://www.metalinnovations.com/images/engineering.jpg

    Another design goal was to demonstrate fixtureless matched hole
    assembly. That worked out ok. I can't remember how I did it, but I
    know it was unpleasant.

    It boils down to putting thousands of holes in curved flanges and lofted
    bends. When you do that, they aren't round holes anymore, which means
    you can't find their centers which means it's really, really hard to
    locate (thousands of) holes in mating parts.

    What I'd like to do is not use holes, but put an array of points on the
    surface and have them unfold with the sheet metal.

    Since I can't do that, can anyone offer any suggestions? Anyone else
    doing something like this?

    --
    J Kimmel

    www.metalinnovations.com

    "Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum." - When you have
    their full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.
     
    JKimmel, Jul 6, 2006
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  2. We do a lot of this.

    What you do is create the sheet metal part, unfold it, put your desired hole
    pattern into the part in the flattend state (try and use the hole
    wizerd)then fold the part up again. If you can't select the hole edge in the
    folded part to mate a rivet then you can select the axis of the hole to use
    as a mate. Using this method gives you a flat pattern with round holes that
    you can then use to send to laser cutters etc to produce the parts and get
    your "fixtureless" asembly.

    A word of caution when unfolding, double check your flat pattern dimensions
    especially with cones etc to be sure that it is correct. You may have to
    play with the K factor to get it exactly right. SW must be calculating a
    stretch allowance when unfolding but with the sheet

    Steve R
     
    Steve Reinisch, Jul 6, 2006
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  3. To complete what I was writting....

    ...... and just rolling it there really is no tradational stretching so you
    may find that your flat is not quite correct. The flat result also depends
    on what modeling method you are using to create the formed part.
     
    Steve Reinisch, Jul 6, 2006
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  4. JKimmel

    secdef Guest

    Just for curiosity; I tried doing what you wrote, but when I fold up the
    sheet the holes go into suspended mode.
     
    secdef, Jul 7, 2006
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  5. JKimmel

    Art Woodbury Guest

    This works for holes on flat flanges, but aircraft skins, ribs, formers etc have rivet holes
    on curved surfaces. If you make a simple "L" bent part with a large bend radius, unfold it,
    insert some holes *in the bend* and fold it up again, you'll see that the holes within the
    bend zone lose their temporary axes because they're no longer cylindrical.

    The best I could do to locate "bent" holes was to insert a ref point using the "Center of
    Face" option while selecting the punched surface of the hole (the surface that would be
    cylindrical in the flat state). That locates the hole center approximately halfway through
    the sheet thickness. (The depth of this point varies with hole diameter and bend radius.

    Then another point can be placed using the "Projection" option while selecting the first
    point and one of the part faces. This puts the second point on the surface also at the hole
    center. A ref axis between the points defines the hole centerline.

    Unfortunately, these are "bogus" ref points and axes (for the OPs purposes) because they're
    left hanging in space when the part is unfolded. I suppose they're tied to the surface IDs in
    the folded state, and these surfaces don't exist when unfolded.

    Might be a nice enhancement request to have hole axes transfer between flat and folded
    states.


    Art W.
     
    Art Woodbury, Jul 7, 2006
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