Reporting Companies using Hacked Solidworks

Cliff · Dec 31, 2005

"What types of machines (how many axes) are you programming with this?
VMC, etc . . "

I'm not using the CAM end of VX at the moment. VX CAM does not fit my
needs at present. VX CAM is very, very powerful but it's not fast
enough IMO for the stuff we do everyday.
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Free demo expired? LOL ...
You'd not be using free demos for production work anyway, now
would you?
Or canned demos ....

Cliff · Dec 31, 2005

"Could you relate the extent of your experience with this product
designed and programmed 50 parts, 500 parts, 5000 parts, etc"

Over 50 parts designed / modified with VX starting with VX 10.
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Ths same crooked brick over & over again. From the training
demo.

Cliff · Dec 31, 2005

"Specifically, are you using this program as a single piece design and
program solution? "

Not yet. Just the CAD end of VX at the moment. The reason I don't use
the CAM end will be addressed below.

"Are you creating the data with VX or are you importing a customer
supplied model?"

Both. VX IGES is the best I have ever used in any CAD/CAM system.

"Is the need for "direct manipulation" driven by the reality of
customer supplied geometry?"

Yes.

"(And) Are you using this for large assemblies and if so what type of
performance have you had with very large data sets?"

Don't work with any large assemblies at all. I have asked several times
for other SaladWorks users to do a comparison. Although I know many
SaladWorks users downloaded and checked out VX this newsgroup never got
any kind of report of how well VX does on large assemblies. I maybe
wrong but I believe I asked two regulars of comp.cad.solidworks who I
respect in some areas to evaluate this aspect of VX vs SaladWorks....
nothing of any substance was reported. So typical. : (

"What types of machines (how many axes) are you programming with this?
VMC, etc . . "

I'm not using the CAM end of VX at the moment. VX CAM does not fit my
needs at present. VX CAM is very, very powerful but it's not fast
enough IMO for the stuff we do everyday.

"I am presently evaluating "cost sensitive" CAM systems (visual mill,
oneCNC, etc) and would like to hear your opinion on what VX really has
to offer, based on your experience with this product."

VX CAM blows both of the systems you named out of the fucking water
power and feature wise. However, VX CAM does not have the speed that a
well though out UI gives you. For VX CAM to work in the kind of
environment I work in the CAM UI will have to be totally redone like
the CAD UI was redone. If you read alt.machines.cnc I have clearly
described some of the kinds of work I do at my job. I have not said a
lot about the work I do for my own clients. The VX CAM UI is not as
good CAM wise as the two systems you named.... it's not even close,
IMO. This is because what was started in VX 11 (The all new VX UI) has
not been fully implemented throughout all of VX. This also applies to
VX spline tools. Improvement is needed but I don't think one will have
to wait to long to see the next phase of the all new UI that was rolled
out with VX 11.

"Could you relate the extent of your experience with this product
designed and programmed 50 parts, 500 parts, 5000 parts, etc"

Over 50 parts designed / modified with VX starting with VX 10.

If one has been around awhile, isn't a product loyalist, doesn't need
to keep up with the Jones, has used other CADCAM systems they quickly
realize how powerful VX's kernel is. It is beyond clear to me that all
the power is there in VX's proprietary kernel, even on the CAM end
where VX has had 5 axis simultaneous for years.

What VX needs is continued UI work. The amount of progress VX made
between VX 10 and VX 11 was mind blowing to me. The rest will follow. I
have never felt the need to tell VX what direction I feel they need to
go in with product development. They already know.

I suggest frustrated SaladWorks users read the following links very
carefully and think about what is different about how VX is developed
and who develops VX compared to SaladWorks.

http://www.vx.com/background.cfm

http://www.vx.com/vorwaller.cfm

Mark Vorwaller has been there from day one.

You want to ask some questions about VX AE and VX VARs in my area and
in Southern California ?

How about VX documentation ?

Hope you were not expecting some line of fucking bullshit now that you
*finally* got the balls to ask questions that you and other SaladWorks
users should have been asking about VX for years.

How about changes VX has made for post processing ?

How about VX Seminars on the West Coast ?

How about ???

jon (SaladWorks.... Toss It !)

"I may have many faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." ... Jimmy
Hoffa
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Cliff · Dec 31, 2005

Sean-Michael Adams,
I have used SolidWorks in the past for about 7 years. I still use it at
client sites for consulting. We own:
- VX "mold and die" - history based surface modeling, large scan
importing from Geomagic
- Visual Mill - budget CAM to run my Bridgeport mill - I bought VM
before I ever knew about VX
- Rhino - non-history based surface modeling, I bought this before I
found out about VX
- Geomagic - Reverse Engineering - point cloud to mesh to nurbs

When chosing a modeler it was between VX, Alias Studio Tools,
SolidWorks, ProE with surfacing extension, ImpactXoft, and ThinkDesign.
We evaluated all the above packages with importing large scan files
from Geomagic. I had 7 years of SolidWorks experience and my coworker
had about the same in Alias. In the end, we chose VX and are very happy
with our decision. We use VX in order of our importance: 1. surfacing
modeling 2. interfacing with large file imported meshes 3. small
assemblies. 4. export models as IGES for outsourced manufacturing 5.
techincal drawings.

We do not do large assemblies. However, if you are sincere in you quest
for large assembly performance, I suggest you call the friendly guys at
VX and ask them about it. They can tell you about their internal
benchmarks against Catia and UGS (and perhaps SolidWorks) Ask for Chris
W at VX, he has Catia experience.

As for my experience with VisualMill, all I can say is that I wanted to
get SprutCam but at the time it was only from Russia and I am a CAM
novice so I wanted to buy from a company with good English support. VM
has great support. Anytime I had a problem or question, they took care
of it usually that same day. I also looked briefly into Onecnc, it
looks like a real winner to me.

Geomagic just plain kicks butt. Their technology is amazing, EXPENSIVE,
but amazing. I think we paid about $20k for one seat. There are only 3
major players that make this type of software. ProE sells an extension
that uses stripped down Geomagic code.

Best of luck and if you want to know more about VX, the guys at VX are
truly cool, give them a call. They are not salesmen types like I came
across with inquiring about ThinkDesign and ProE. They won't bash
SolidWorks, but they do know SolidWork's strengths and weaknesses. I
never asked VX about their CAM because I already owned VM. VX started
out as a CAD/CAM package for Samsung I believe.

Happy New Year!!

Haulin79
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