Question on Sheet Metal Capabilities

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by amylabritto, Apr 28, 2007.

  1. amylabritto

    amylabritto Guest

    I know there are numerous Users here skilled at the Sheet Metal
    portion of Solidworks.
    I have a general question that I would like to have answered before I
    go through all the motions of attempting to model the object that I
    will be attempting, and it doesn't quite work.
    Do the sheet metal capabilities include the object being able to have
    a bend in it? To clarify this, picture a 3" diameter pipe, with a
    1/8" wall thickness being bent around something the diameter of a
    telephone pole, add a single seam down the inner middle of this pipe
    so that it could be opened and flattened out. Can this be made in
    Solidworks Sheet Metal?
    Of course my other alternative would be to extrude a 3" cylinder, bend
    it to the radius that I need using the flex tool, then shelling it out
    to a wall thickness.
    I would much rather do it in Sheet Metal if at all possible so that I
    can offer the flattened out model as the blank that would be needed to
    fabricate the part.
    If the above procedure is possible, I would appreciate a quick
    synopsis of the method.
    I am thanking all of you skilled Ladies and Gentlemen in advance.
    Amy
     
    amylabritto, Apr 28, 2007
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  2. You might try creating this part as a lofted bend. I had to do a tube
    with an elliptical cross-section with one end cut perpendicular to the
    axis and the other at a 6 degree angle. It worked fine. I won't
    guarantee that this method would work, but it might. If it doesn't, you
    might try your VAR to see if any of the CSWP's there can help you do it.

    Bruce B.
     
    Bruce Bretschneider, Apr 28, 2007
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  3. Maybe I misunderstood exactly what you were asking. If you only want to
    create a part like this and don't really need a flat pattern, you could
    do it with a sweep.

    I looked in a steel book and found that you can get 3.00" OD round
    carbon steel mechanical tubing with a .125" wall thickness.

    Hope this is of some help.

    Bruce B.
     
    Bruce Bretschneider, Apr 28, 2007
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  4. amylabritto

    amylabritto Guest

    It would appear that I wasn't very clear with my question. I do know
    that there are several ways that I would be able to model this part.
    My question is: Can an object with a bend in it be made in the Sheet
    Metal mode? I really would rather do it using Sheet Metal if at all
    possible, because if I could supply my clilent with a flattened part
    that he could use for a template to use for his blanking tool, (used
    in production), this would be a plus for me. My instincts tell me
    that it must be difficult to flatten a part that has a bend in it
    because of the kinks that would occur. I am hoping that someone with
    more knowlege of Sheet Metal modeling than I have can answer this
    question, as much as I am hoping that Solidworks has found a way
    around this potential kinking problem.

    Amy
     
    amylabritto, Apr 28, 2007
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  5. amylabritto

    david Guest

    Hi there,
    I think if at all possible you would end up with a rectangular sheet,
    because you would flatten all the bends out.
    Regards,
    David
     
    david, Apr 28, 2007
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  6. amylabritto

    Cliff Guest

    Compound curvature.
    Not a simple "sheet metal" bending matter ..... cannot work.
    There are expensive non-linear FEM-based packages that might sort
    of work but all too much depends on exact later fabrication methods,
    tooling & materials.
     
    Cliff, Apr 29, 2007
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  7. The sheet metal function can only handle simple bends, i.e. about a single
    bend line.
    What you are describing involves plastic deformation in multiple directions.
     
    bill allemann, Apr 29, 2007
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  8. amylabritto

    amylabritto Guest

    Thank you all. Multiple radii involves material shrinkage,
    stretching, etc., I was afraid that Solidworks would not be able to
    handle that. I suppose the only way to do the job would be to
    supplement the radius with an angle, and cut out a wedge shape
    triangle on the blank, to the same included angle so that when it is
    bent, the two edges of the blank would close to form a straight seam.
    Thanks for your response.
    Amy Labritto
     
    amylabritto, Apr 29, 2007
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  9. amylabritto

    Cliff Guest

    <Sheesh ....>
    That's not going to work either. Compound curvature.

    About the best you can do lacking proper expertise & software
    (or talking with the vendor that would actually make it) might
    be a piece of stock as long as the distance the central (tube) radius
    traverses over it's length and as wide as the neutral plane (about
    at 50% of the tube's wall thickness) surface over the 360 degrees
    of the tube's neutral plane circumference.

    Feel free to correct me.
     
    Cliff, Apr 30, 2007
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  10. amylabritto

    Dom Guest

    What is the material that you want to use? Aluminium flows really
    nicely for this sort of thing, if you select an appropriate grade, so
    does Stainless. If the blank is going to be stamped, how do you
    intend to form the final shape? Will it be pressed also or rolled?
    Will the part revolve through a complete 360deg.? Try cross posting
    your question to alt.machine.cnc some of the folks there have heaps of
    experience in this type of stuff, and I have read some really
    interesting conversations in the past.

    The problem in developing a pattern for this part seems really simple
    because the form is not complex. If the part is going to be rolled, a
    metal rolling service should be able to do some trial runs to develop
    a pattern for you. However, if the part will be rolled, you generally
    need 3 times the length, to get the correct form in the middle, so
    developing a pattern is kind of a waste of effort.
     
    Dom, Apr 30, 2007
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  11. amylabritto

    kenneth Guest

    <snip>

    yes.
    draw an arc to simulate pipe, drag arc ends to within .01 deg of each other.
    invoke base flange command, select arc sketch.
     
    kenneth, Apr 30, 2007
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  12. amylabritto

    kenneth Guest

    doh, nevermind.
    totally misread your post.

    the answer is no.
     
    kenneth, Apr 30, 2007
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  13. amylabritto

    Cliff Guest

    I was scared there for a brief moment <g>.
    WHY do people always want to unfold the unfoldable?
     
    Cliff, Apr 30, 2007
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  14. Are you trying to make a ring from a piece of pipe? if so it is pretty easy
    to roll a pipe to make a ring, no flats required. Although the dia you are
    asking for from the 3" dia pipe may prove to be a problem, but it is not
    that difficult.



    Steve R
     
    Steve Reinisch, Apr 30, 2007
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  15. amylabritto

    pete Guest

    That's the same as asking why Muslim fanatics are Muslims, isn't it?
     
    pete, May 1, 2007
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  16. amylabritto

    Cliff Guest

    Any superstition in a storm.
    http://landoverbaptist.org/

    <g>.
     
    Cliff, May 1, 2007
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