Purpose of construction lines

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by ben-halpin, Aug 2, 2007.

  1. ben-halpin

    ben-halpin Guest

    Will someone please explain the principle behind making a line a
    "construction" line , versus a regular sketched line? What is the
    actual reason for it? I see it being used as an axis for a revolve,
    also I see it for the placement of text on a model.
    I did read the help files on construction geometry, and I must say
    that I am now more confused than before I read it. I hope it is not
    just me, but it seems that the author of some of the Solidworks help
    files actually takes delight in confusing the reader.
    My sincere thanks to anyone who takes the time to help me on this,
    Ben
     
    ben-halpin, Aug 2, 2007
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  2. A construction line will be ignored in a sketch for a feature. For example,
    if you need to cut a shape out of a plate, and you want to reference
    something with a dim that is tangent to an arc, or something, then you can
    put in a construction line that fits the bill and it will not try to be used
    as part of the outline for the cut. You use it only as a construction tool,
    not a profile element.

    Now, that being said, even in cases where I don't have a problem with solid
    lines, I like to make them construction lines to denote that they are
    reference entities, not to be used for a profile.

    WT
     
    Wayne Tiffany, Aug 2, 2007
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  3. ben-halpin

    jon_banquer Guest

    Ben,

    Construction lines are a great way to show where you're imparting
    design intent into your sketches.

    Jon Banquer
    San Diego, CA
    http://www.carsunreleased.com
     
    jon_banquer, Aug 2, 2007
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    zxys Guest

    First, you understand that for feature creation (extrusions, cuts,
    revolves, lofts,..), using sketches (closed or open profiles), have to
    be solid (not hidden lines) and construction lines (hidden) can not
    define a profile. (and yes, a centerline or construction line also
    does define a rotation center)
    Think of construction lines (dashed) as reference entities within your
    normal sketch (solid),.. lines, arcs, curves,.. which serve to
    reference construction intent and drive your sketch entities (solid).
    In your sketch, you can always toggle from hidden to solid and back
    again.
    The most common or simplest example of a construction line is used
    with polygon sketches, such as a closed rectangle sketch, where you
    apply a diagonal construction line to quickly define the center of the
    rectangle, (via the mid point of the construction line) or using a
    construction circle to help define the center of a hexagon.


    Use construction lines to help construct of your open/close profile
    sketches,...
    such as,, you may want to only create a layout sketch, 2D or 3D, which
    could define your profile intent or open/closed profile boundaries...
    so, you may have construction entities within your layout sketch to
    help with defining your open/closed boundaries.

    ...
     
    zxys, Aug 2, 2007
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  5. ben-halpin

    jon_banquer Guest

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    jon_banquer Guest

    jon_banquer, Aug 2, 2007
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    Cliff Guest

    "A construction line will be ignored in a sketch for a feature."

    Gee, what is "design intent" & what are "sketches"?
    New buzzwords from where?
    And what are you "showing"?

    Sounds more like "REF" per honest drafting standards <G>.

    IIRC Last week he posted someplace that he was/is a SW user ....
    & tried (again) to pose as an expert ....

    Pretty good for 2 1/2 axes CAM in a shop where you load
    parts or push a broom & the shop actually uses Pro-E & the
    programmer uses MasterCAM, is it?
     
    Cliff, Aug 3, 2007
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  8. ben-halpin

    Cliff Guest

    Sheesh ... from the link: "driven dimension".
    Per all drafting & design standards I ever knew of such things
    are not to be shown on prints or designs other than (perhaps) as "REF"
    or "For MFG. Purposes Only" and are highly frowned upon.
    All *derives* from the actual controlled dimensions which
    must fully constrain what the part/design is (though many
    entry-level "designers" & detaiers may miss the concept
    or it's purpose & not do so. A few rounds with a good
    sarcastic checker might cure some of this<VBG>.)
     
    Cliff, Aug 3, 2007
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    vinny Guest

    One thing I like about using centerlines in solids is when doing lathe or
    cylindrical work. When you dimension from a "centerline" it dimensions the
    diameter. Seems to keep sketches cleaner and makes you think in ral life,
    not radius numbers.
     
    vinny, Aug 3, 2007
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    Cliff Guest

    So you don't know, eh?
    LOL ....
     
    Cliff, Aug 3, 2007
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    vinny Guest

    added word construction to above paragraph. (post inserted into useless
    thread)
     
    vinny, Aug 3, 2007
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    Bo Guest

    I often find on complex profiles, that it is difficult to make a fully
    defined sketch without extra construction lines beyond just
    "centerlines" on the main axes.

    It is very often I use a construction line between two ends of solid
    profile lines to define a Mid Point between the two line ends such
    that I can mirror items in a sketch or dimension to the center of a
    "rib" for instance.

    Lots of good uses for construction lines exist.

    Bo
     
    Bo, Aug 3, 2007
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    brewertr Guest

    On parts & assemblies to add relationships or mates on difficult to
    mate parts & assemblies.

    Adding relationships for sheet-metal forming tools.

    Tom
     
    brewertr, Aug 3, 2007
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    Cliff Guest

    Dimensions that do not control but result from those
    that do (and are not often used and/or frowned on).
    They duplicate information that derives from the dimensions
    that do control the features. They are for REFerence only
    (often un-toleranced) and may be directed at the
    specific intended manufacturing folks.

    Another example might be where guage points out in
    space control things but are hard to measure so they
    might add something else that's easier to measure
    for inspection purposes on the shop floor & where
    it's sort of an in-house job & they know how it will be
    made there. Or even raw stock size for the saw
    shop ...

    BTW, There are standards that control these things,
    often industry specific ones too (which are usually based
    on extensions to the core standards).
    See, as an example, the GM Drafting Standards which
    are based on the ANSI/ISO ones IIRC. Huge manual <g>.

    See "Reference Dimension":
    http://www.engineersedge.com/gdt.htm
    They & their *proper* use can also result in
    manufacturing having to hold tighter tolerances
    on the REF dimension than the part would otherwise
    require. Slightly improper use can easily lead to scrap.

    Now, about "Typ (27) places" ...
     
    Cliff, Aug 3, 2007
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    Cliff Guest

    This case of banquerbabble <G>.

    BTW, When you consider the two links jb
    posted I suspect some confusion.
    http://aec.cadalyst.com/manufacturing/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=140037

    http://manufacturing.cadalyst.com/manufacturing/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=133672

    Those parts look like flanges to me. They exist because stock
    is needed to hold the holes apart.
    The holes would be the critical things from which all else
    follows but that's not how things are shown.
    I'd have set zero on the center of the large hole with
    the one hole above it & the other two on an axis parallel
    to the X axis & then dimensioned the hole locations from
    the large hole then the stock about the holes & then the
    lines tangent to that, then needed fillets, etc.
    Poor jb's latest buzzword/phrase is "design intent" <VBG>.
     
    Cliff, Aug 3, 2007
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    Cliff Guest

    BTW, These parts might even well be symmetrical
    and show as such in that orientation (I did not check).
    If so, far better to show them as such IMHO.
    Speaking of which & his selected examples <G> ....
     
    Cliff, Aug 3, 2007
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