hi it seems the psltscale system variable saves the setting (0 or 1) in each layout tab and not in the drawing, as the help file indicates, is there a way to set it to 0, globally to all layouts, i cannot seem to find it anywhere... ; IAcadLayout: The plot settings and visual properties of a model space or paper space block ; Property values: ; Application (RO) = #<VLA-OBJECT IAcadApplication 00b9b5e4> ; Block (RO) = #<VLA-OBJECT IAcadBlock2 0ed76664> ; CanonicalMediaName = "Letter_(8.50_x_11.00_Inches)" ; CenterPlot = 0 ; ConfigName = "None" ; Document (RO) = #<VLA-OBJECT IAcadDocument 0ed687e0> ; Handle (RO) = "5E" ; HasExtensionDictionary (RO) = -1 ; ModelType (RO) = 0 ; Name = "Layout2" ; ObjectID (RO) = 2115771760 ; ObjectName (RO) = "AcDbLayout" ; OwnerID (RO) = 2115771600 ; PaperUnits = 0 ; PlotHidden = 0 ; PlotOrigin = (0.0 0.0) ; PlotRotation = 1 ; PlotType = 5 ; PlotViewportBorders = 0 ; PlotViewportsFirst = -1 ; PlotWithLineweights = -1 ; PlotWithPlotStyles = -1 ; ScaleLineweights = 0 ; ShowPlotStyles = 0 ; StandardScale = 16 ; StyleSheet = "" ; TabOrder = 2 ; UseStandardScale = -1 ; ViewToPlot = ""