i searched google and newsgroups, apparently this isn't a common problem. I've run into it on multiple computers and multiple versions of autocad. i have serveral programs that go to each layout tab, do something, go to the next tab, do something else. actually this is a bigger problem because it will crash if do the same thing manually, not just when runing a routine. they all eventually crash. it used to crash with the "unwind exception" error, recently it started saying "out of memory". so i opened task manager and noticed that it crashes when i run out of physical memory. when i change tabs it uses more memory that never gets released, like this: before acad open: 350 mb open acad: 600 mb chg tabs: 725 mb chg tab again: 851 mb chg tab again: 976 mb chg tab again: 1.07 gb chg tab again: 1.19 gb on up to 2 gb, then crash any ideas? thanks, William Ogle