Post SWW2006 Blues

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by TOP, Jan 28, 2006.

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    TOP Guest

    specAPC was originally supposed to be a day in the life type benchmark.
    The problems I have run into with it have been due to some kind of
    incompatibilities with my machines. This seems to be a Windows issue.
    And then, as a benchmark, it moves the mark every time it comes out. If
    it would run on every version of SolidWorks since it's inception it
    would be a good benchmark of not only hardware, but of the software and
    operating system. And with it's heavy emphasis on graphics it's results
    can be skewed by putting a really fast graphics card into an otherwise
    mediocre system.

    One of it's advantages has been the five iteration test which seems to
    hammer hardware more than any other program I have seen. But the later
    versions take so long to run that even this facility is too time
    consuming to use in setting up a machine. specAPC also controls a fair
    number of SW settings for consistency.

    I tried my hand at writing a very simple benchmark that controls as
    many settings as I deemed necessary while insulating the test from the
    effects of graphics cards and ongoing releases of SolidWorks. It is
    simple and therefore only tests a limited area in SW. However, those
    areas are fundamental to what SW does (sketcher, extrude, intersect,
    parent/child relations). I would like to find time to add more tests
    to it for drawings, assemblies and such. Ideally a benchmark would work
    over a much broader portion of SW.

    Ship in a Bottle is good and exercises graphics more. I put up a
    procedure for testing with it, but as you mentioned, not many follow it
    or even Mike Wilson's procedure which is a subset of mine.

    Bottom line still is that on benchmarks that run across releases like
    Ship in a Bottle and STAR 2006 is still slower than 2004. However, I
    have also found that in areas like assemblies 2006 seems to be faster.
     
    TOP, Feb 7, 2006
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    matt Guest

    Actually, the FX60 is single core
    http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_
    609,00.html
    The Opterons and X2s are dual.


    I purchased a Boxx laptop by Clevo and sent it back. Software could not
    be installed properly when Hyperthreading was turned off in the Bios.
    At that point it was only available with Intel. Now that they also do
    AMD, the hyperthreading issue goes away.

    Other suppliers of the oversize Clevo platform:

    Boxx
    Hypersonic
    Alienware
    Eurocom
    Sager
    Xtreme Notebooks
     
    matt, Feb 7, 2006
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    matt Guest


    Whoa! My mistake. Sorry. I thought the whole purpose of the FX line
    was to have a faster-than-hell single core processor. I have the FX 57,
    and assumed that the FX 60 was just one up. Thanks for setting it
    straight.

    from that link:

    "We assume that the FX-57 will still be around for some time following
    the introduction of the FX-60, since its clock speed makes it the
    fastest single-thread processor available from AMD. Also, some
    applications run marginally slower on dual-core processors compared to
    their single-core counterparts with the same clock speed (we found a
    3.3% difference with WinRAR, for example). Yet this advantage will be
    short lived as more applications make use of thread-optimized multiple
    processing cores."
     
    matt, Feb 7, 2006
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    jimsym Guest

    <And with it's heavy emphasis on graphics it's results
    can be skewed by putting a really fast graphics card into an otherwise
    mediocre system. >

    That is true of viewperf, but not the SPECapc benchmark. For example,
    viewperf scores vary widely between the Quadro FX1400, 3400, 3450, 4400
    and 4500, but their SPECapc scores are exactly the same - and all scale
    in direct relation to CPU performance.

    (The FX540 is about 10% slower than the FX1400 on SPECapc - but it is
    still faster than even the top-end V7100 for ATI.)
     
    jimsym, Feb 9, 2006
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    TOP Guest

    I haven't looked at the most recent source code for specAPC and based
    my comments on an older version as well as developer's comments.
    Previous testing I have done showed a marked dependence on graphics
    cards. If what you say is true we have a truely wandering benchmark.
     
    TOP, Feb 9, 2006
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    matt Guest

    Wayne,

    I'm just curious how the Hypersonic is going for you? I'm looking at
    getting one with the same specs.

    Matt
     
    matt, Feb 14, 2006
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    Wayne Guest

    Matt,

    No real problems with it so far. The video driver is still the same,
    so performance will be better in the future. Photoworks does render
    fast. I only have CosmosWorks Designer on it, so I have not used it
    for long nonlinear solutions. It does work well in large assembly
    drawings in SolidWorks 2006 with the second core generating the
    precise drawiing view entities.

    SolidWorks is stable although I do get some screen flickers when I
    launch it. I suspect it is the same video driver issue. I have yet to
    be able to blame a SolidWorks crash on the computer. I did have the
    screen go blank on me once, again I think it was the video driver
    issue.

    It is heavy, about 20 pounds with AC adapter. The 17" display is
    wonderful.

    If I had to do it again, I would pick it over the Dell M70.

    Wayne
     
    Wayne, Feb 19, 2006
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