OT - the US is a lousy world citizen

Found those "WMDs" yet?

I take it you don't know.
And could care less about lies, wars & murders in your name with
your tax dollars .... which have left billions of people knowing about
you & your crazed ideas ....

 

Any data for MikeB? He cannot be quite as crazy as the last
fellow <G>.

 

Since when does a VP personally run secret air force
exercises?
Try some research first next time.

 

Rush told you that one?
The US spends over US$ 50,000,000,000 on "intelligence" each
year and has a pack of lying neocons & wingers running
things.

Found those"WMDs" yet?

 

Found those"WMDs" yet?
Now, about that edge you last saw ... how far
back was it?

 

Neither are the Muslims "Down Under" - Well, if they hang around the beach
anyway....

Face it everyone - all the world's supposedly "developed" countries have
many of the same issues as us Americans - Just that everyone finger points
at us because it's sooo easy. Governments/countries are like any team
sport - when a team dominates for so long, soon everyone wants to see them
get knocked down a peg or two - Even the ones who are nice to your face and
pat you on the back when you win. Oh no, they definitely don't want to see
you collapse because that would be particularly bad for them and the game,
but to see you get knocked off the pedestal would give them satisfaction.

At one time or another England, Spain, France, Germany, Russia/USSR all held
the top spot and ALL were as arrogant, if not more so, during their time.
(look at history, my friends)

The big challenge for America is to stay on top. If not, oh well - Let
someone else be number 1 for a few years. Sometimes I think it'd be better
to be say, number 2 or 3...It'd take the heat off us and everyone can blame
them for all their woes...How about Canada? "Illegal Americans crossing
over the border to get jobs shoveling snow!!....BLAME CANADA!! Freakin'
Maple syrup eatin' Cannuks!! It's all their fault!! Must be!!! A country
with 55 yards on their football field has got to be the cause for all the
worlds problems!!!"

Scott

 

If I had it my way yes. If you have read the book "Ender's Game" you would
see that quite often the only way to permanently stop a bully or enemy or
whatever opposes you, have to knock them down then kick them a few times.
That way they know better than to mess with you.

If I was asked if I approve of the way that the war in Iraq is being run, I
would say no. Not because I think that the war is wrong, but that the
"Political Correctness" tactics suck. If the insurgents give us a bloody
nose, we should break their arm. This is not a case of "might makes right"
but a case of we need to defend our rights, religion, and family. We have
created a small battleground to take on the terrorists, which is better than
taking them on is small isolated pockets around the world.

You seem to think that war=wrong, well, if that was the case, then the US
would not exist, the French and most of the world would be ruled by kings or
other tyrants.

 

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml#bullopp

 

And Iraq had nothing to do with the events of 9-11.
But now many have indeed been murdered based on
neocon lies. On top of that, billions of people worldwide
know it. Some of them are resisting the invasion.

Consider:

So when the neocons claimed that they knew & had irrefutable proof
and refused to tell any that asked?
When they set up their plans to tell lies?

Can you use this excuse to break into your neighbor's house,
steal his things, murder him & his family, burn the house down,
call all your other neighbors that would not help you "terrorists",
and get off with huge prizes from the police?

"Officer, someday he might have had a BB gun in his basement. If
he ever got one he might have hurt someone's cat or invaded
Antartica with it ."

It's murder, pure & simple. Or about ~ 100,000 ++ ...

"If any one bring an accusation of any crime before the elders, and
does not prove what he has charged, he shall, if it be a capital
offense charged, be put to death." - Third Law, The Code of Hammurabi
written in about 1786 BC. In what is now (or was) Iraq.

 

You must be misremembering Orson Scott Card's short story
(published in Analog in 1977) (or the later novel).
BTW, He's the only Mormon SF author that I know of.

 

Ok, I was being soft, he shows that to get a bully, you have to hurt him to
the point where he won't come back.

Since you seem to have a lot of anti-war/Bush information, please tell us
how you would go about getting rid of the terrorists? Or, are you like the
democraps, whining about what is being done without proposing an alternative
solution?

 

IOW More "terrorists" and "terrorist attacks" worldwide are good
for business ....
These matters have now been widely spread ... even the
US State Department admits it.

The events of 9-11 were individual criminal acts and should have
been treated as such under existing laws.
Afghanistan asked for the evidence ... it was refused. Carriers
were already on their way ....
Plans for war in Iraq had been started by the shrubbie's second
week in office. Long before 9-11.

"From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in
August." -- White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card, Jr.,


http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles8/Berkowitz_Stauber-Rampton-Review.htm
http://kennedy.senate.gov/~kennedy/statements/04/01/2004114558.html
http://warandpiece.com/
http://bushwatch.org/bushlies.htm

Check out "Office of Special Projects" + Cheney or Rumsfeld

Etc.

 

They didn't, but they were sure building up and circumventing the
ineffective trade sanctions that they had placed on them. If you look at
what has been going on in Iraq, I am sure that the people that nolonger live
in the oppressed condition under Sadam are a lot happier. This, along with
the people that are out from under the Taliban.

How about reading this http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/

They have sarin gas, a WMD. So, I guess they wern't wrong afterall. You
may also notice that the article was written by a fairly liberal news
outlet.

But, you are not thinking bout the possibility of the case where I know that
a neighbor is a convicted fellon, and is prohibited from having fire arms of
any type at their house. If I knew that, I would call in the police without
thinking about it. That is what was done.

 

So that they cannot see your comment and thus work on
self-improvement.
Or perhaps you just missed much of the thread ....

This guy is good <G>. <waves>

 

didn't clinton like sending out cruise missiles out a lot?

-john

 

Speaking of lies....that 100 000 number is way off.

more like, what 25000 - 30000-ish total dead.

-john

 

what about the 737 in Iraq where al-Q practiced taking planes hostage?
Maybe not directly involved with 9/11, but certainly still a connection
between the two.

-john

 

No...the gorram -indictment- says that.

What is so hard to understand about that? Sheesh.

-john


p.s. "If you don't think Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction,
then don't vote for me." --John Kerry

 

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/


And if one looks into the fine print...every time a suicide bomber
kills an Iraqi..its added to the death toll. The numbers are NOT those
directly attributable to the US.

If a bad guy holds up a shop keeper in Mosul..and shoots somebody..its
added to the death count. The numbers reflect total deaths under US
occupation, not those by the US or coallition forces.

You will also note..this is Hardly a pro US site. So any inflation
will be against the US's favor. And they dont even come close to the
100k number, which is a pure fabrication of the Left. As usual.
In other words..another Lie that Stiffy passes on.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

 

From their study...if you do the math..the numbers dont add up btw..

Who was killed?

* 24,865 civilians were reported killed in the first two years.
* Women and children accounted for almost 20% of all civilian
deaths.
* Baghdad alone recorded almost half of all deaths.

When did they die?

* 30% of civilian deaths occurred during the invasion phase before
1 May 2003.
* Post-invasion, the number of civilians killed was almost twice
as high in year two (11,351) as in year one (6,215).

Who did the killing?

* US-led forces killed 37% of civilian victims.
* Anti-occupation forces/insurgents killed 9% of civilian victims.
* Post-invasion criminal violence accounted for 36% of all deaths.
* Killings by anti-occupation forces, crime and unknown agents
have shown a steady rise over the entire period.


Lessee here....37% of 24,845 = 9,200 civilians killed by US led
forces.

Thats quite a differece from the Claimed 100,000, no?

Now if Baghdad accounted for nearly half of all the deaths...what
about the claim we killed all the civies in Faluga?

Just more lies from the Left, but then..what could you expect?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner