OT - the US is a lousy world citizen

Right! You mean the US got kicked at 9-11, for screwing around in the
Middle-East, financing a hardline regime in Afghanistan the Talibans, to
remove that Russian puppet regime there.
Later financing the Northern-Alliance, the ex-Russian regime, to remove
the Talibans.
It's played over and over again in the world politics and the US have
not learned yet. But the blaming games goes on and on,
It's the Terrorist,Terrorists fault.
But who are the terrorist really, your old friends and why?
JS

 

Once upon a time, in a town far far away...a group of criminals took
over the town. They raised hell with the towns people..but pretty
much kept it local. Then the bad guys in the neighboring town took
some US citizens hostage. When the two towns full of bad guys started
killing each other..the US, encouraged the one town to kill off the
other town, because anyone bad enough to take US citizens
hostage..would do it again and again. The two towns killed each in
job lots..and finally couldnt kill each other off any more..no fight
left in em for the butchery.

The first town, we can call Iraqiville, and the second Iran Junctions.

A few years pass..and Iraqville decides for various reasons..to
capture the town of Kuwait. Now this town was a very good friend of
the US and other towns..so they sent help.. Kicked the shit out of the
Iraqivillers..and sent em home with their tails between their legs.
Rather than burning the entire town to the ground..the US made the
Iraqivillers promise to not only stay home and play nice, but to
destroy all their most evil weapons, and to do it where everyone could
see em do it. This they promised to do..but time dragged on and the
Iraqivillers continued to pick on some of their other nieghbors..the
Kurds and the Marsh Arabs. And whenever the US and the other
countries came near to make sure they were playing well with
others..the Iraqivillers would shoot at them This went on for 12 yrs.
Finally..the US and the other good towns got pissed off..and demanded
to know where those evil weapons were. They were told..yep..indeedy
they were destroyed..you betcha!!. But no evidence was ever given to
prove it. Time and time again..the good towns demanded proof..and be
given the oportunity to see for themselves..and time and time
again..were refused or bullshitted.

So the good towns decided that enough was enough..and they went in and
cleaned out the leaders of the bad guys, busted their toys and made em
play nice. Now the nice villagers that had survived the bad guys being
in charge, started rebuilding their village, new government, no
leaders. Some of the surviving bad guys didnt like this..they wanted
to be bosses again..and they started killing the good villagers, and
the surviving good Iraqivillers. And lots of bad things happened..but
finally, even the bad villagers got the idea that keeping up the
killing might be a bad thing, and they started voting and acting like
good villagers.

This is a good thing. However..there are some evil people in the good
nations, who want to return to power themselves..and they have been
doing bad evil things, trying to make the good villagers look really
bad, so they can get back into power. They dont care about the other
bad villagers, or any of the bad guys, only their own taste for power.
This makes them just like the bad villagers.

So like the bad villagers in Iraqville, its time to kill the bad
Democrats and mount their heads on sticks on the Whitehouse lawn, as
an example to other bad people, that fucking with the good guys only
makes you dead.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

 

Not only trolling, but using the Lie Troll approach.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

 

Publish the Barrett Report Now
Townhall.com ^ | 12-9-2005 | Tony Snow

Posted on 12/09/2005 12:01:04 PM PST by American Quilter

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- "No wonder they call us the Stupid Party," said a
disgusted Republican operative in Washington. "You've got to wonder
what these guys were thinking."

At issue was the publication of a report by David Barrett, an
independent counsel who has spent the better part of a decade looking
into some of the most hair-raising allegations of presidential
malfeasance in American history.

Like most independent counsels, Barrett didn't set out on such a
mission. He was assigned the duty of looking into whether former
Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry Cisneros committed tax
fraud in trying to cover up payments to a former mistress.

Yet, as published reports have indicated, he soon discovered that he
was onto something much bigger. He found unsettling evidence that
Justice Department officials were actively interfering with the probe
and even conducting surveillance of Barrett and his office. Worse,
there were indications that Team Clinton was using key players at the
IRS and Justice to harass, frighten and threaten people who somehow
got in the former president's way.

The pattern was set early on, when the White House sicced the FBI on
Billy Dale, who had served as the director of the White House Travel
Office since the days of John F. Kennedy. They mounted a baseless
probe of Dale's finances, while chasing after his daughter, his sister
and others. Dale was guilty of holding a job coveted by presidential
pal Harry Thomasson. But rather than simply firing Dale, the Clinton
White House chose to destroy him.

By all accounts, the 400-page Barrett report is a bombshell, capable
possibly of wiping out Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential
prospects. At the very least, it would bring to public attention a
scandal that would make the Valerie Plame affair vanish into comical
insignificance.

Democrats know this. Using provisions in the independent-counsel
statute that permit people named in a report to review the allegations
against them and file rebuttals, attorneys close to the Clintons have
spent the better part of five years reviewing every jot and tittle of
the charges arrayed against their clients and friends.

This careful and continuous monitoring of the report explains why
Sens. Byron Dorgan, Dick Durbin and John Kerry took the highly unusual
step earlier this year of trying to slip into an Iraq-war spending
bill an amendment to suppress every word of the Barrett report. (Every
other independent counsel finding has been printed in its entirety,
with the exception of small sections containing classified material.)

Alert Republicans, pushed by talk-radio listeners and bloggers,
managed to short-circuit that effort, but Democrats patiently pursued
their goal. They got what they wanted recently, when the House and
Senate met to iron out differences in yet another appropriations bill.
Democrats inserted language that would prevent public release of the
120 pages of the report listing the Clinton transgressions. They
offered what may have looked like a good deal. They promised not to
object to letting Barrett continue with any prosecutions already
underway.

Republicans negotiators, led by Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., and Rep. Joe
Knollenberg, R-Mich, took the bait. They agreed to keep the public in
the dark about the important stuff in exchange for a big, fat nothing.
Unbeknownst to Bond and Knollenberg, Barrett shut down his grand
juries three years ago.

The move represents more than just boneheaded politics. It's grossly
irresponsible. If the report contains the kind of bombshells that have
been hinted at in reports published by The Wall Street Journal and
National Review, among others, the public not only has a right to
know, Congress has a duty to investigate.

If Barrett has found evidence that officials at Justice and the IRS
served as a praetorian guard, that means some bureaucrats felt it
appropriate or beneficial to ignore their duty to the public and
instead to perform dirty work for the people who oversee their
budgets.

Another big "if": If such behavior were covered up, the malefactors
would conclude that they may do the same thing again for other
presidents.

Something stinks, and the only way to get at the truth is to release
the full report. Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, who fought a lonely
battle to ensure the document's publication, is furious. So is House
Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc. The question
is whether Republican leaders Bill Frist and Denny Hastert will step
in and ensure the report's publication, or whether they'll just sigh
and look the other way.
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

 

The ones in jail? Or soon to be? Or just the WMD ones?
Perp walk:
http://majikthise.typepad.com/photos/tom_delay_perp_walk/
http://www.huntingtonnews.net/state/051019-staff-delay.html

HTH

 

no, actualy too many lies in one dose, especialy in matters which you have
proved to have no clue!

 

You seem to be a sucker indeed.

Rush lied to you.

 

Cliff, you are getting so good at this reparte', that you have to apply
for a career at CNN, now that Robert Novak has left.

Gotta be a good opportunity for your skills.

Bo

 

Could we post a poll somewhere to vote on whether Cliff (aka Jon Banquer) is
an idiot or not?

Yes _________
No__________

 

Could we post a poll somewhere to vote on whether Cliff (aka Jon Banquer)
is
an idiot or not?

Yes ___X_____
No__________

 

She did?!!

That's incredible, if true, for a myriad of reasons.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

 

Yes Cliff is a baboon masqurading as a human being.


No__________

--
Censorship and Gun Control are the political equivalent of binding and
gagging a victim before raping and mugging them.

Such acts are carried out by the same thugs, one with a law degree from
a state pen, the other a law degree from a university for the same sick
perverted purposes which are to remove you from your property, liberty
and dignity, and bend you to will of others.

 

http://www.heraldnewsdaily.com/stories/news-00111255.html
Except thay have it a bit harder ... they want to throw out both the
British AND the neocon imperialists.

HTH

 

On winger found.

 

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:55:41 +0200, "Gil Alsberg"

Two wingers found.

 

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:06:20 -0800, Pope Secola VI

Three wingers found.
Anybody recall the kid game called "Battleship"?

 

I think I now understand where you come from, and why you believe the things
you do. Nowhere in that article did it ever say anything about throwing
out the British. It only talks about the voting and the path towards
democracy that the Iraqi people are now taking. If that is your proof, you
live in one sad little world. If that is typical of your logic and
reasoning, I suggest you see a highly qualified Psychiatrist and get some
medications to help take the edge off your psychosis.

PS, you still have not responded to my message to get clarification on other
hotbed issues that can help to identify Liberal or Conservative beliefs.
See my message posted on December 15.

 

I, and probably others here, would appreciate it if you would post below the
post to which you are responding, instead of topposting.

That way, we can see the other post first and read your reply with the
understanding of what you are talking about.

No offense to you, but if I'd seen that you were replying to Cliff, I
wouldn't have spent my time reading your reply. I've already killfiled him
and his bullshit.

BTW, with a name like "YouGoFirst," I'm surprised that you don't already do
that <G>.

 

Gee .... guess what happened in about 1776?
LMAO !!!

 

Wingers get to toppost.
They are special, due to their disabilities (and guns, usually).

Besides, they can only think backwards. Start with the desired
bigoted conclusion and claim a god, "WMDs" or something as the why.