OT - Plain Bearing Material Problems

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by Simon Miller, Jan 5, 2004.

  1. Simon Miller

    Simon Miller Guest

    I have designed a small rotating assembly that runs at only 0 - 150 RPM with
    very very minimal load, it has a Stainless Steel (303) 3.0mm Dia shaft and a
    brass (CZ121) bearing. When first assembled this it has a very smooth
    running action and very little stiction, but after a few days of use the
    bearings begin to squeek and seize.
    Can anyone tell me if there any problems with stainless and brass as a
    bearing assembly or point me in the right direction for information on
    suitable material pairs for bearings.

    Simon

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    Simon Miller, Jan 5, 2004
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    Sporkman Guest

    You may get a good answer from this group, but I'd urge you to post also
    in "sci.materials" and "sci.engr.metallurgy". You're almost certain to
    get some very expert opinions there.

    Mark 'Sporky' Stapleton
    Charlotte, North Carolina, USA
     
    Sporkman, Jan 5, 2004
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  3. Simon,

    If the assembly needs to run un-lubricated and with low stiction,
    you may want to consider a plastic bearing (eg Teflon, or one of
    the bearing grades of Nylon). Look at printers / photocopiers
    around the office for typical exaples. If heat and / or load are
    too high for a plain plastic bearing then look at commercially-
    available sleeve bearings (bushes) such as Permaglide, which are
    available with a Teflon-impregnated sintered surface.


    Rick.
     
    R.H. \(Rick\) Mason, Jan 5, 2004
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  4. Ditto, totally agree. And/or suggest using rulon, peek, torlon, uhmw pe
    or delrin, depending on the conditions, as well.

    ...
     
    Paul Salvador, Jan 5, 2004
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    Art Woodbury Guest

    You might find something in the IGUS line that would be suitable.

    http://www.igus.de/Default.asp?LANGUAGE=E


    Art W.
     
    Art Woodbury, Jan 5, 2004
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    Arlin Guest

    While I am no expert, we have also used Nylatron in similar situations.

    This is probably overkill for your low load, low speed application. I
    suspect some UHMW would work pretty well.
     
    Arlin, Jan 5, 2004
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  7. I have prototyped both Oilon (oil impregnated Nylon) and delrin bearings.
    The problem I found was due to the fact that the assembly was so small, the
    machining proved difficult, the burr left behind effected the rolling
    resistance or the required break edge affected the end float beyond limits.
    I require an external running surface of stainless and cannot have a fully
    plastic wheel. That has brought a thought that maybe I could run with a
    Plastic shaft!!!
    This assembly is to be used in the clothing manufacture industry and
    therefore quite a dusty and dirty environment, this has lead me away from
    lubricants!

    Simon
     
    SGM Design Ltd, Jan 5, 2004
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  8. Sounds like a S/S wheel/roller with a Permaglide bush running on a
    S/S or hard chrome shaft might be the answer. If possible, protect the
    bush against ingress of lint, dirt etc.

    Another thought is to use a shielded ball-bearing race in the roller - NSK,
    for example, have shielded metric-series miniature bearings in 3mm bore
    (MR63ZZ, 683ZZS ...) which might also be a viable solution.

    Rick.
     
    R.H. \(Rick\) Mason, Jan 5, 2004
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    Kev Parkin Guest

    Simon,
    Check out someone like IGUS (http://www.igus-uk.co.uk/) or Railko
    (http://www.railko.co.uk/index.html)

    Cheers,

    Kev
     
    Kev Parkin, Jan 5, 2004
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  10. Yeh, I was not necessarily thinking of oil impreg bearings or them being
    machined,.. more towards something w/o oil impreg or injection molded
    bearings (but can also machine,.. your burr problem sounds like a
    machining/quality issue).

    Without fully understanding the design I think we are giving you any
    suggestion we can so...

    Knowing it will be in a lint environment, where a dry bearing is
    preferred, and as someone noted, using wipers and sealing areas are
    worth it.
    Someone also mentioned ground or hardened sstl shafts, that should be
    used.
    Now, you're considering a polymer shaft? (electro static conditions may
    arise attracting more lint) Hmm... some of the high glass filled shafts
    are probably the only ones I can imagine for torsional use.. 3mm dia
    extrusion possible... ?

    ...
     
    Paul Salvador, Jan 6, 2004
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  11. Simon Miller

    Simon Miller Guest

    My first port of call was the ball bearing (OD6 x ID3 x W2). It failed on
    two counts really, the stiction was quite high, which surprised me and the
    noise level was unacceptable. The device that these roller assemblies fit
    into is a hand held injection moulded case and seemed to amplify the bearing
    noise, hence the change to plain bearings.

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    SGM Design Limited
    Prittlewell House
    30 East Street
    Southend-on-Sea
    Essex
    UK
    Tel: 0044 (0)1702 601607
    Fax: 0044 (0)1702 602607
    E-mail: -move-me.co.uk
     
    Simon Miller, Jan 6, 2004
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    Krister L Guest

    SKF has a plain composite bushing/bearing ....stainless steel backing with
    ptfe coating inside...not sure about if they are avaliable in such small
    dimensions though

    Krister L
     
    Krister L, Jan 8, 2004
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