NOT rotating grid lines

But, then aren't your dimensions in different directions?

"Do you not rotate when drawing 2D?"

Almost never. Why would you need to? I'll rotate objects to position them,
etc. but that's about it. Normally no need to rotate to draft in 2d..

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view-dimensioning, door callouts, etc. Sometimes I work without rotating the
view but I always draw better work when oriented the way a builder would be
looking at the plan.

 

<<I'm rotating the view so I can better see any issues related to that view-dimensioning, door callouts, etc>>

Are you drawing 2D or 3D?

If you're using the ROTATE command you are NOT rotating your view, you are rotating the objects.


<<but I always draw better work when oriented the way a builder would be looking at the plan. >>

Not sure what you mean, the builder will build it to the orientation indicated by the drawings.


<<Do you not rotate when drawing 2D? >>

NO, and don't really see a point in doing so, other than a one-time DVIEW TWIST to fit a viewport to a sheet. Anything I can see, on a 2D drawing, from one twist angle will be visible from any twist angle.

Objects should be placed in real space, at the location and orientation in which they belong, and there they should remain. If you wish to twist them around for some reason DO NOT use the rotate command, but rather change your view with any of the other commands already posted.

 

OLD Cad aver,

Sorry, I need to think more about the terminology in my communications. The following is all in 2D.

Before today I used to rotate the entrie drawing in model space to work on diff. sides of a building and dimension, etc. as mentioned.

The problem with that is I found that items that were locked wouldn't rotate and when I turned them on (grid lines for instance) they were not on the same axis and I would have to grab them and rotate them to get everything in sync.

Now, today I'm trying to (twist, rotate, whatever) THE VIEW. The problem with DVIEW is that I'm finding the dimensions I'm working on are upside down. This makes it hard towork on. I believe one of the other posts mentioned how to correct this but I haven't figured it out yet.

Basically, I'm working in 2D and want to be able to rotate my VIEW and work on different sides of the building with the side of the building I'm working on at the Bottom of the monitor.

Thanks again to all that responded.

 

diff. sides of a building and dimension, etc. as mentioned.

rotate and when I turned them on (grid lines for instance) they were not on
the same axis and I would have to grab them and rotate them to get
everything in sync.

with DVIEW is that I'm finding the dimensions I'm working on are upside
down. This makes it hard towork on. I believe one of the other posts
mentioned how to correct this but I haven't figured it out yet.

work on different sides of the building with the side of the building I'm
working on at the Bottom of the monitor.

just use this to flip the dim text around.

;;thanks to David Kozina
;;via email 11-20-00
(defun C:FLIPTEXT (/ ss i ent ele)
(setq ss (ssget '((0 . "DIMENSION")))
i (1- (sslength ss)))
(while (not (minusp i))
(setq ent (ssname ss i)
ele (entget ent))
(entmod
(subst (cons 51 (- (abs (cdr (assoc 51 ele))) PI))
(assoc 51 ele)
ele))
(entupd ent)
(setq i (1- i))))

I agree with all of the others about not rotating geometry. I never use
Aligned dimensions and in order to always use Linear dimensions I rotate the
view so that what's being dimensioned is on either the X or Y axis. Some
save views. I just have another routine that I got here that quickly rotates
my geometry based on two pick points. If you need that one let me know.
Dave
DDP

 

<<Basically, I'm working in 2D and want to be able to rotate my VIEW and work on different sides of the building with the side of the building I'm working on at the Bottom of the monitor.
Did my wife learn how to read a map from you? I've been doing this a very long time with hundreds of different drafters, and that's a new one on me.

Do you want the dims to always orient to the bottom of the monitor as well so that dims on the "top are now upside down? If so, UCS Z is your easiest bet (I think):

UCS <enter>
Z <enter>
90 <enter>
PLAN <enter><enter>

Okay some background, the 90 above will spin your current User Coord. System around the Z axis 90deg. COUNTER-CLOCKWISE. PLAN <enter><enter> will twist your current view to match the current UCS, effectively rotating the view 90deg CLOCKWISE. Dimensions then placed will match the current UCS.

Does anybody else here work like this?? Just curious.

 

A few times in the past, I experimented with drawing elevations projected
off of the plan and drew a rectangle of the extents of the plan and used offset
to get a ground line about twice the height of the building away from the
plan. Then I drew all four elevations radiated from the plan. I found
this was more trouble than it was worth and moved to xreffing the plan
and making four copies of the plan rotated so that each face was down.

Now I use ADT which generates the elevations and sections automatically.

I still use UCS Z rotations for arrays and when working on plans of
wings that are not orthogonal.

different sides of the building with the side of the building I'm working on at the Bottom
of the monitor.

with hundreds of different drafters, and that's a new one on me.

Z axis 90deg. COUNTER-CLOCKWISE. PLAN <enter><enter> will twist your current view to match
the current UCS, effectively rotating the view 90deg CLOCKWISE. Dimensions then placed
will match the current UCS.

 

Actually, it's not difficult at all. We've been doing it that way forever,
using named UCS's and a little bit of LISP.
___

 

Actually, it's not difficult at all. We've been doing it that way forever,

I've also done it that way for quite a while, seems comfortable to me. I use
named views to pop between them. Previously I used a bit of lisp to restore
a view and then do a UCS View to restore coordinates, but since you can save
UCS with view now, you can do the whole thing with just the view command.

 

I've been doing this a very long time with hundreds of different drafters,
and that's a new one on me.

LOL -- even back in the olden days, I don't remember ever seeing anyone turn
their vellum upside down on the drafting board because they wanted to work
near the top edge of the sheet.

 

I had longer (and younger) arms in those days

 

Tom (I am sure this isn't new news to you, but it might help others
following the thread)

Save the Named UCS and then the Named View and then hving a macro (LISP if
you prefer)

'-view;r;yourview

The nice thing about these are you get the VIEW, you get the UCS and can be
transparent to a command in progress.

 

Hi Tom,
It wasn't necessarily difficult. It was just that I found that working
with the plan in one file and xattaching it to the elevation file and
then rotating and copying had advantages in that I could see the
elevations side by side in model space and copy and
project without using view/ucs switching. Also with elevations in a
ground down point of view, creating the viewports for the sheets
was simpler because I didn't have to work in different coordinate
systems in each viewport (or viewtwist).

I haven't tried dragging upside down views in ADT2005 onto sheets.
ADT2005 viewport automation might speed the radiating projection
technique up.

Has anyone played with setting the UCSBASE. I finally understood
some of the big advantages in using that this week with rotated wings.
Using the -view r [f t ba ri le..] with a different UCSBASE than
WORLD can simplify some 3D and rotated 2D drafting.

Regards,
Doug

 

I had longer (and younger) arms in those days

Me too, and a much more limber back! We used to use those Spiroll things,
where you'd slide the drawing down into the tube to protect the bottom part
when you repositioned it at a more convenient place on the board. Working on
an E size sheet was torture unless you could do that.

 

sometimes nostalgia isn't so wonderful