NOT rotating grid lines

After setting up gridlines to the correct dimension I like to turn them off (and on) and lock them so they don't get moved. But when I rotate my entire display to work on another side of a project the gridline won't also rotate.

Does anyone else see this as a problem and how do they deal with it?

Thanks.

 

How are you setting up your grid lines? Are you using the AutoCAD Grid or
are you drawing them on a separate layer? How are you rotating your view?
Are you rotating your model or the view? Sounds like you are manually
drawing the gridlines on a locked layer and then rotating the rest of the
model (lines, arcs, etc.). If this is true, try using your UCS and view
commands. I personally like to use the PLAN command with the current and
world UCS after setting my UCS with a three point option. One word of
caution though, this approach can interfere with some higher end
applications like Land Desktop, as I found out last week...

--
Brad Yarger

off (and on) and lock them so they don't get moved. But when I rotate my
entire display to work on another side of a project the gridline won't also
rotate.

 

Brad,

Yes, I am manually drawing the grid on a "grid" layer. I rotate in model space using "rotate all" which rotates items not turned on but doesn't rotate layers that are locked.

Don't know about AutoCAD grid. I'll check it out.
I'll also check out your other suggestions.

 

Do NOT rotate elements, rotate your view. Explore 3DORBIT, DVIEW, VPOINT, and the toolbar called VIEW.

 

I agree with OLD-CADaver. Don't rotate all of your elements universally.
There are other tools for viewing your model from different angles. Rotate
is for relation rotation of specific elements within your model when
compared to the other elements. Check out the view menu and toolbar, as
well as UCS.

--
Brad Yarger

and the toolbar called VIEW.

 

Double ditto.

When you want to look at the drawing from another viewpoint, or rotate your
view, then do that. Don't move the drawing.

 

I think the OP wants a grid in whatever direction he's viewing from. So,
he'd rotate his created grid to match his view, but not the rest of the
geometry. But, then you'd have to align it to the geometry for it to be
useful.

Using the Grid function of Acad would accomplish this, and be much easier
and more flexible, IMO.

Unless I'm missing something. Totally possible...

--
Robert Davis
QC/CMM Dept.


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Camarillo, Ca 93012
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Unless I'm missing something. Totally possible...

Who knows. OP appears to be a novice, and it's near certain there's a
simple, routine way to accomplish whatever the desired task is.

"Grid" hasn't been defined. If it's something like the structural column
grids that so many of us use all the time, then it's part of the model
geometry and can remain locked while changing the view of the model in the
various ways already recommended. If it's purely a drafting aid, then the
SNAP and GRID commands, and SNAPBASE variable would come into play.

In any case, physically rotating or moving the model geometry in order to
"work on another side" is an approach that I think everyone would agree is
just wrong. That's why we have a VIEW command.

 

"Grid" hasn't been defined.

I read it as structural column grid. But we do structural drawings, so
that's the first thing I think of.

 

Tom,

Grid is a structural/ coulum grid-yes. I want to rotate my view in such a way that locked layers will rotate also. To date I use the command "rotate" select object: "all" base point: "0,0,0" and then put in either "90, 180, or 270" to rotate my view. I'm looking into the suggestions but haven't hit on the right combination.

Do I need to set up these views and then save them or will ACAD automatically rotate my view as desired.

Thanks for the help.

 

<<To date I use the command "rotate" select object>>

NO, do NOT rotate the objects with the rotate command, that changes the location of the objects, not your view.

Use 3DORBIT, VPOINT or DVIEW to change your view, leave the objects where they belong.

 

Grid is a structural/ coulum grid-yes. I want to rotate my view in such a
way that locked layers will rotate also.

The key is, rotate your VIEW. Do not rotate anything in the drawing.

The most efficient way is to create a series of saved named views, from
which you can choose using the VIEW command.

To start, you might ZOOM E, then run VIEW. Hit "New" to create a named view,
give it a name (e.g. "Overall" or Extents"), select "Current display" and
check "Save UCS with view." This means that when you restore this view, the
UCS will automatically conform to it.

"Okay" your way out of the VIEW dialog, then enter UCS Z 90. Then enter
PLAN. This will regenerate the drawing looking at it from the right hand
side. Run VIEW again and save this view as "Right."

Bear in mind, nothing in your drawing is physically rotating. Only the point
of view and the UCS are being twisted. Nothing in your model is changed at
all, therefore it doesn't matter whether certain layers are locked.

Repeat the process of UCS, PLAN, and VIEW at 180 and 270 to create "Rear"
and "Left" views. Now you can switch between them by running VIEW.

Assuming you need this kind of thing regularly, then it may make sense to
save these views in a drawing template, so they're always present when you
start a new drawing. Otherwise you'll wind up re-creating them in each
drawing.

 

DVIEW-DVIEWBLOCK-TWist

 

DVIEW-DVIEWBLOCK-TWist

Good suggestion, quicker than my UCS Z and PLAN approach.

 

Old Cadaver and Tom,

Thanks for the help.

This exercise is for spinning my view, performing 2D operations like dimensioning etc.

With 3D orbit how do I get it to rotate exactly 90 degrees? I'm using the "ROLL" command. Do I need to set something up to have it snap @ 90 degrees?

I had better luck with DVIEW. The only thing is that after rotation the dimensions are upside down. That's ok but for dimensioning it isn't ideal. What else am I missing?

Again, Thanks.

 

Andy,
PMFJI. The others have great suggestions as to view rotations.
I have to ask though, why you want to rotate objects or the view
in order to dimensions?

Dimlinear is not the only dimension command. You also have dimrotated and dimaligned.
One obvious trouble occurs when you rotate the coordinate system to dimension: the text
sometimes ends up relatively upside down.

Dview twist does not affect the direction of dimensions. Rotating the
coordinate system does. Setting UCSFOLLOW to 1 will allow the
view to change automatically as you change your UCS.

Regards,
Doug

command. Do I need to set something up to have it snap @ 90 degrees?

upside down. That's ok but for dimensioning it isn't ideal. What else am I missing?

 

If you're working in 2D, what are you rotating anything?

Or are you placing dims on a 3D object? If so, place the dims in PAPERSPACE.

 

The view toolbar has standard iso and ortho views already defined.

Unless I've totally misunderstood what he's said, he's talking about a two
dimensional drawing, because he's been rotating it in the xy plane in order
to look at it from a different angle.

None of the predefined 3D views except "top" will be of any use to him. He
wants "plan" views, at various rotations, which all look downwards at his 2D
drawing plane. The built-in front, back, left, and right views will only
display this plane edgewise

 

LOL... I have no idea what he wants anymore. I'm just throwing stuff to see
what sticks... By saying rotate his entire display to work on another
side, I took side as meaning another plane, thus the 3d answer.

Here's my questions...

What are you trying to dimension? 2d or 3d?

What does the grid have to do with dimensioning?

Why do you need to rotate to dimension? Your dims would all be at different
angles and upside down/sideways/etc. depending on the point of view. That's
certainly not a normal dimensioning practice.





--
Robert Davis
QC/CMM Dept.


E.A.S. Manufacturing Co., Inc.
804 Via Alondra
Camarillo, Ca 93012
805-987-3665 Voice
805-987-7948 Fax
- General E-Mail
www.easmfg.com - Web Site

 

OLD Cadaver,

I'm rotating the view so I can better see any issues related to that view-dimensioning, door callouts, etc. Sometimes I work without rotating the view but I always draw better work when oriented the way a builder would be looking at the plan.

Do you not rotate when drawing 2D? Any thoughts appreciated.