[QUOTE="CAD"] Jeff, When did I state my profession? My opinion is the instructor led training is the best method to learn SolidWorks. Sorry if that causes you heartburn. CG with[/QUOTE] "My opinion is the instructor led training is the best method to learn SolidWorks." Do you feel it's the best method for someone who knows how to teach them self with the proper tutorials and documentation ? Many people don't have any desire to have their hand held and can do just fine with in-depth well documented complex tutorials. Aren't you really saying SolidWorks documentation and tutorials leave a hell of a lot to be desired ? Do you think there is a reason SolidWorks and most other CAD/CAM companies document their products so poorly ? Think it might have something to do with giving VAR's a very good source of income ? This is in no way a problem that is in any way unique to SolidWorks. However, this is yet another area that most product loyalists have no qualms about This should come as no surprise to anyone who can be objective about CAD/CAM. Frankly, I think most of these product loyalists deserve to get taken for a ride. Perhaps when more of them get screwed over and wake up a core group of more objective CAD/CAM users will be the majority rather than the minority. jon