Need a Script

Jeff,



I really appreciate for your help and time you spent to answer me, although
we both know that I can't help you with any VBA's code! , but please don't
hesitate to email me if you need something. Thanks again,



Afshin.

 

Thanks for the clarification. You may not have intended to, but it "sounded" like that's what you meant. It can be difficult in email to convey thoughts at times. However, while it may be true that such a choice would lead to greater time wasting, I think I still disagree with your conclusion that it is a "terrible mistake". For example, if I have a hole do dig but I can't afford a tractor or backhoe, but I do have a shovel, if I use the shovel, am I making a terrible mistake because I procede to use the only tool available? I understand your use of the word "terrible", but using "making...mistake" implies the one "making" the choice is guilty of some fault. Its like accusing the world's poor of choosing to be poor, when they are simply in a situation they have no control over.
has very little time and needs to learn a programming language ??

You didn't give bad advice, it just wasn't practical. Hence, he didn't appreciate it. Coming back to the illustration of the poor, your question is like asking, "What advice would you give to a poor person who has very little money and needs to eat healthier?" You might say: "You know, if you quit spending your money on rice and bought some good vegetables, you would be healthier." While that is a true statement and may seem to be the best advice, it does not show insight of the person's circumstances. Where will he get the money? He may be buying the only thing he can afford. How would he feel if you said that to him? Giving advice in such a situation is not easy and may not be helpful either if they can't follow it. Maybe its better to give vegetables instead...

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Ed
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I wonder if there is something wrong with my news reader.
How come I don´t read what you read in my posts ??

I'll repeat what I said:

"And if you're short of time, you are making a terrible
mistake trying to learn how to program AutoCAD
little by little and copying code. You're wasting your
valuable time this way.
It will take you far more time to learn
it this way than it would taking a short course."

I said "if you're short of time" (or short on time)
"you are making a terrible mistake" (terrible because
more time will be needed this way, and he is short
of it, making his time shortage even bigger)

I did not mention any motives, except time, because that
is what he explains in his post.
He DID NOT talk about lack of any other resources
so my comment was based on that.

I DID NOT SAY it wasn't a valid way to learn.
I DID NOT SAY people learning that way were lazy.
I DID NOT SAY programmers are lazy
I DID NOT SAY he was lazy
I DID NOT SAY you were lazy
I DID NOT SAY you weren't lazy (just kidding :>)

As you said yourself, for many reasons one could choose
to do it that way, but if that reason is time, then I stand by my words.

You tell me, what advice would you give to someone that
has very little time and needs to learn a programming language ??

 

For example, if I have a hole do dig but I can't afford a tractor or backhoe,

Ed, you're missing the point again.
The resource I referred to was TIME, not money, not tools, not tractors, etc...

Man, this is going over to extremes!!!


I stand by my words.
If you are short of time (NOT MONEY!)
trying to learn a programming language
on your own, WILL demand a whole lot
more time than taking a short course.

I understand that many here have
learned on their own.
I have nothing against it, as long
as you learn it well
but that's another topic.

--
Saludos, Ing. Jorge Jimenez, SICAD S.A., Costa Rica

has very little time and needs to learn a programming language ??

You didn't give bad advice, it just wasn't practical. Hence, he didn't appreciate it. Coming back to the illustration of the poor, your question is like asking, "What advice would you give to a poor person who has very little money and needs to eat healthier?" You might say: "You know, if you quit spending your money on rice and bought some good vegetables, you would be healthier." While that is a true statement and may seem to be the best advice, it does not show insight of the person's circumstances. Where will he get the money? He may be buying the only thing he can afford. How would he feel if you said that to him? Giving advice in such a situation is not easy and may not be helpful either if they can't follow it. Maybe its better to give vegetables instead...

--
----
Ed
----
I wonder if there is something wrong with my news reader.
How come I don´t read what you read in my posts ??

I'll repeat what I said:

"And if you're short of time, you are making a terrible
mistake trying to learn how to program AutoCAD
little by little and copying code. You're wasting your
valuable time this way.
It will take you far more time to learn
it this way than it would taking a short course."

I said "if you're short of time" (or short on time)
"you are making a terrible mistake" (terrible because
more time will be needed this way, and he is short
of it, making his time shortage even bigger)

I did not mention any motives, except time, because that
is what he explains in his post.
He DID NOT talk about lack of any other resources
so my comment was based on that.

I DID NOT SAY it wasn't a valid way to learn.
I DID NOT SAY people learning that way were lazy.
I DID NOT SAY programmers are lazy
I DID NOT SAY he was lazy
I DID NOT SAY you were lazy
I DID NOT SAY you weren't lazy (just kidding :>)

As you said yourself, for many reasons one could choose
to do it that way, but if that reason is time, then I stand by my words.

You tell me, what advice would you give to someone that
has very little time and needs to learn a programming language ??

 

They are just illustrations Jorge. I didn't miss the point. I understand you. But my my illustrations were attempting to teach some lessons. I'll see if I can state them plainly. All resources are the same, you can't treat them differently. Specifically, if you don't have it, you can't spend/use it, whether time or money, etc. Also, its unethical to judge people based on their possesion or lack of resources. I didn't set out to argue with you and I don't want to now. I just thought that maybe you weren't aware of how your words are percieved by others.

--
----
Ed
----

Ed, you're missing the point again.
The resource I referred to was TIME, not money, not tools, not tractors, etc...

Man, this is going over to extremes!!!


I stand by my words.
If you are short of time (NOT MONEY!)
trying to learn a programming language
on your own, WILL demand a whole lot
more time than taking a short course.

I understand that many here have
learned on their own.
I have nothing against it, as long
as you learn it well
but that's another topic.

--
Saludos, Ing. Jorge Jimenez, SICAD S.A., Costa Rica

has very little time and needs to learn a programming language ??

You didn't give bad advice, it just wasn't practical. Hence, he didn't appreciate it. Coming back to the illustration of the poor, your question is like asking, "What advice would you give to a poor person who has very little money and needs to eat healthier?" You might say: "You know, if you quit spending your money on rice and bought some good vegetables, you would be healthier." While that is a true statement and may seem to be the best advice, it does not show insight of the person's circumstances. Where will he get the money? He may be buying the only thing he can afford. How would he feel if you said that to him? Giving advice in such a situation is not easy and may not be helpful either if they can't follow it. Maybe its better to give vegetables instead...

--
----
Ed
----
I wonder if there is something wrong with my news reader.
How come I don´t read what you read in my posts ??

I'll repeat what I said:

"And if you're short of time, you are making a terrible
mistake trying to learn how to program AutoCAD
little by little and copying code. You're wasting your
valuable time this way.
It will take you far more time to learn
it this way than it would taking a short course."

I said "if you're short of time" (or short on time)
"you are making a terrible mistake" (terrible because
more time will be needed this way, and he is short
of it, making his time shortage even bigger)

I did not mention any motives, except time, because that
is what he explains in his post.
He DID NOT talk about lack of any other resources
so my comment was based on that.

I DID NOT SAY it wasn't a valid way to learn.
I DID NOT SAY people learning that way were lazy.
I DID NOT SAY programmers are lazy
I DID NOT SAY he was lazy
I DID NOT SAY you were lazy
I DID NOT SAY you weren't lazy (just kidding :>)

As you said yourself, for many reasons one could choose
to do it that way, but if that reason is time, then I stand by my words.

You tell me, what advice would you give to someone that
has very little time and needs to learn a programming language ??

 

All resources are the same, you can't treat them differently

I'm afraid not.
We all start off a new day with 1440 minutes to spend.
We all don't start off a new day with a $1000 to spend.!!

I'm quite aware. A good choice of words is a luxury you can't always afford in a NG.
But then again, even choosing well, the word processing algorithm in some might be a bit buggy.

I'm all for it. This is not the place or the time to do this.

--
Saludos, Ing. Jorge Jimenez, SICAD S.A., Costa Rica

They are just illustrations Jorge. I didn't miss the point. I understand you. But my my illustrations were attempting to teach some lessons. I'll see if I can state them plainly. All resources are the same, you can't treat them differently. Specifically, if you don't have it, you can't spend/use it, whether time or money, etc. Also, its unethical to judge people based on their possesion or lack of resources. I didn't set out to argue with you and I don't want to now. I just thought that maybe you weren't aware of how your words are percieved by others.

--
----
Ed
----

Ed, you're missing the point again.
The resource I referred to was TIME, not money, not tools, not tractors, etc...

Man, this is going over to extremes!!!


I stand by my words.
If you are short of time (NOT MONEY!)
trying to learn a programming language
on your own, WILL demand a whole lot
more time than taking a short course.

I understand that many here have
learned on their own.
I have nothing against it, as long
as you learn it well
but that's another topic.

--
Saludos, Ing. Jorge Jimenez, SICAD S.A., Costa Rica

has very little time and needs to learn a programming language ??

You didn't give bad advice, it just wasn't practical. Hence, he didn't appreciate it. Coming back to the illustration of the poor, your question is like asking, "What advice would you give to a poor person who has very little money and needs to eat healthier?" You might say: "You know, if you quit spending your money on rice and bought some good vegetables, you would be healthier." While that is a true statement and may seem to be the best advice, it does not show insight of the person's circumstances. Where will he get the money? He may be buying the only thing he can afford. How would he feel if you said that to him? Giving advice in such a situation is not easy and may not be helpful either if they can't follow it. Maybe its better to give vegetables instead...

--
----
Ed
----
I wonder if there is something wrong with my news reader.
How come I don´t read what you read in my posts ??

I'll repeat what I said:

"And if you're short of time, you are making a terrible
mistake trying to learn how to program AutoCAD
little by little and copying code. You're wasting your
valuable time this way.
It will take you far more time to learn
it this way than it would taking a short course."

I said "if you're short of time" (or short on time)
"you are making a terrible mistake" (terrible because
more time will be needed this way, and he is short
of it, making his time shortage even bigger)

I did not mention any motives, except time, because that
is what he explains in his post.
He DID NOT talk about lack of any other resources
so my comment was based on that.

I DID NOT SAY it wasn't a valid way to learn.
I DID NOT SAY people learning that way were lazy.
I DID NOT SAY programmers are lazy
I DID NOT SAY he was lazy
I DID NOT SAY you were lazy
I DID NOT SAY you weren't lazy (just kidding :>)

As you said yourself, for many reasons one could choose
to do it that way, but if that reason is time, then I stand by my words.

You tell me, what advice would you give to someone that
has very little time and needs to learn a programming language ??

 

We all start off a new day with 1440 minutes to spend.
We all don't start off a new day with a $1000 to spend.!!

I didn't say or imply that. An illustration doesn't have to, nor should it, apply in every single aspect of comparison you might think of. The only application I used is what was followed by the word "Specifically". This was intended to show that, when very limited resources are concerned, one does not have the luxury of choice. What we've beem talking about is not a matter of learning efficiently or not, its a matter of learning vs. completing the day's work or not. Likewise, my illustration dealt not with with eating healthy, but eating or not eating.

You bring up a good point though about how much time we're alloted. People speak of time using the same words that they do when budgeting money. You might say we're on a "fixed income" when it comes to time. Which is the point of my illustration. On a fixed income, your choices aren't what most people consider choices. I would consider a "choice" to be what restaurant I would like to go to for dinner. I wouldn't consider it a "coice" if I had to not eat for several days so that I could save my rice money up just to buy vegetables for one meal. You can't literally save time like you do money. Nevertheless, people still use the term "set aside some time" as if they actually were saving it. What they really mean is that they will dedicate that time for a specific use. You might want to dedicate 1 hour a day to learning. But if you have to use that time for another purpose, like doing the work the boss assigned, that choice is no longer available. In cases like that, people no longer make "choices" in the sense of how to spend "extra" resources, but they start setting priorities of what necessities will have to be eliminated.

I agree. Once you hit the "Send" button your words are carved in stone (or at least on a server's hd). I've sent off words that I later had to account for. But everyone can "afford" to send a second email that says "Sorry for that last post".

-- Have a good one!

 

Ed, I envy your spare time !!

Don't look that way to me.

Anyway, this is slipping into a philosophical rhetoric
and like I said before, not the place nor the time for it.
Over and out.

--
Saludos, Ing. Jorge Jimenez, SICAD S.A., Costa Rica

We all start off a new day with 1440 minutes to spend.
We all don't start off a new day with a $1000 to spend.!!

I didn't say or imply that. An illustration doesn't have to, nor should it, apply in every single aspect of comparison you might think of. The only application I used is what was followed by the word "Specifically". This was intended to show that, when very limited resources are concerned, one does not have the luxury of choice. What we've beem talking about is not a matter of learning efficiently or not, its a matter of learning vs. completing the day's work or not. Likewise, my illustration dealt not with with eating healthy, but eating or not eating.

You bring up a good point though about how much time we're alloted. People speak of time using the same words that they do when budgeting money. You might say we're on a "fixed income" when it comes to time. Which is the point of my illustration. On a fixed income, your choices aren't what most people consider choices. I would consider a "choice" to be what restaurant I would like to go to for dinner. I wouldn't consider it a "coice" if I had to not eat for several days so that I could save my rice money up just to buy vegetables for one meal. You can't literally save time like you do money. Nevertheless, people still use the term "set aside some time" as if they actually were saving it. What they really mean is that they will dedicate that time for a specific use. You might want to dedicate 1 hour a day to learning. But if you have to use that time for another purpose, like doing the work the boss assigned, that choice is no longer available. In cases like that, people no longer make "choices" in the sense of how to spend "extra" resources, but they start setting priorities of what necessities will have to be eliminated.

I agree. Once you hit the "Send" button your words are carved in stone (or at least on a server's hd). I've sent off words that I later had to account for. But everyone can "afford" to send a second email that says "Sorry for that last post".

-- Have a good one!