moderate or dissolve this NG ??

As I recall, you were the one who pointed out to the Big8 that Matt

Like Paul Kellner and Tom Brewer, Matt Lombard doesn't have clue one
what those in manufacturing need for CADCAM tools. Idiots like these
refuse to address why the history based modeling tools in Pro/E and
SolidWorks are a total failure when it comes to working with non-
native solids or when you have to try and understand someone else's
design intent.

Here is one person who has figured out who idiots like Matt Lombard
are and what idiots like Matt Lombard are trying so hard to protect:

http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2008/12/matt-reviews-synchtech.html

"Matt - Thanks for that interesting view of ST from a SolidWorks
user's perspective.

But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture.

What ST and its peers will ultimately do is make CADD and CADD-like
functionality accessible to people that are not trained CADD operators
or experts like you - because they shouldn't have to be highly-trained
or experts, regardless of who may believe that incredibly complicted,
hard-to-use CADD systems coindicentally serve as a convenient means of
protecting ones 'domain' and maintaining the high value that's
typically placed on their skills.

The ultimate goal of ST is to allow those who consume our designs to
participate in the design process in new and much more interactive
ways that were not previously possible or practicle, due to the
barriers imposed by traditional CADD systems like SolidWorks,
Inventor, et.al.

Just as anyone can pick up a pencil and sketch out their ideas on
paper, we want anyone to be able to easily do the same with a
computer, in 3D, and with little or no training.

That's what emerging technolgies like ST are really about, and given
the aformentioned goals, one can also understand why some may regard
it as more of a threat, rather than merely a better, more productive
way of working." ... Tony Tanzillo

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

 

So do many hairdressers.

That's not what it sounded like.

Guess who just answered some questions (and pointed out
a few facts)!!!

Why?
I don't see you helping jb.

 

And most that quoted him would still be there in Google's archives.

 

The idiots probably killfiled everybody & everything or ignored
the threads.

 

CLUE: SW is a CAD program.

 

Talking about no-skills, no-training & no-clues banquers.

 

In news.groups on Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:34:44 +0000 (UTC), Black Dragon

s/B8MB/Usenet/

 

LOL!

True that.

--
Black Dragon

Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone
in good society holds exactly the same opinion.
-- Oscar Wilde

 

Matt.

Schmatt.

Where was Matt when the survey was taken in September?

Posting on his blawg.

Where was Matt during the ensuing discussion with news.groups and the
B8MB?

Posting on his blawg.

Where was all the support that crawled out of the woodwork (in response
to a post on Matt's blawg) to reply to the survey during the discussion
with news.groups and the B8MB when their voices were needed by the
proponent for the change.

Posting on and reading Matt's blawg of course. Where else would they be?

Where's Matt now?

Who cares?

But his continued lack of presence here says exactly everything anyone
needs to know about his concern for comp.cad.solidworks.

--
Black Dragon

Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone
in good society holds exactly the same opinion.
-- Oscar Wilde

 

Matt Lombard is too busy getting his ass handed to him to post here:

http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2008/12/matt-reviews-synchtech.html

"Matt - Thanks for that interesting view of ST from a SolidWorks
user's perspective.

But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture.

What ST and its peers will ultimately do is make CADD and CADD-like
functionality accessible to people that are not trained CADD operators
or experts like you - because they shouldn't have to be highly-trained
or experts, regardless of who may believe that incredibly complicted,
hard-to-use CADD systems coindicentally serve as a convenient means of
protecting ones 'domain' and maintaining the high value that's
typically placed on their skills.

The ultimate goal of ST is to allow those who consume our designs to
participate in the design process in new and much more interactive
ways that were not previously possible or practicle, due to the
barriers imposed by traditional CADD systems like SolidWorks,
Inventor, et.al.

Just as anyone can pick up a pencil and sketch out their ideas on
paper, we want anyone to be able to easily do the same with a
computer, in 3D, and with little or no training.

That's what emerging technolgies like ST are really about, and given
the aformentioned goals, one can also understand why some may regard
it as more of a threat, rather than merely a better, more productive
way of working."

.... Tony Tanzillo.

My response:

"Tony,

"But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture."

In my view a big part of the larger picture is using ST/Direct
Modeling to be able to manufacture product designs faster. Frankly,
I'm really sick of reading the endless nonsense on design intent. I
work for a very large company that has many seats of Pro-E and not one
engineer has ever asked our machine shop to preserve their design
intent. Their main interest seems to focus on one area... can they
have their parts today and how can we make their parts faster and
cheaper.

ST/Direct Modeling are the tools that machinists and CADCAM
programmers need to give designers and engineers their part in the
fastest possible time. Most of the CADCAM systems being used today
don't have powerful ST/Direct Modeling tools and most of the CAD in
CAM systems is very badly out of date an so far behind the times that
it's laughable.

Let’s make no mistake, NX 6 is the clear leader in providing a
complete solution for manufacturing as CoCreate has no CAM that runs
inside of it. PTC simply isn't anywhere near as good as Siemens at
creating fully integrated CADCAM systems. While PTC is buying out
companies and using others CAM technology Siemens is rolling their
own. I’d be happy to provide specific examples where NX has moved away
from industry standard software components and created their own
components in order to give the CADCAM user a better more integrated
solution."

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

 

Jon, what happened to your 1000post Jihad about the importance of
maintaining design intent, and your insistence that EVERY machine shop
needs Solidworks and "important" design intent tools like Solid Map?

 

Matt Lombard is too busy getting his ass handed to him to post here:

http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2008/12/matt-reviews-synchtech.html

"Matt - Thanks for that interesting view of ST from a SolidWorks
user's perspective.

But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture.

What ST and its peers will ultimately do is make CADD and CADD-like
functionality accessible to people that are not trained CADD operators
or experts like you - because they shouldn't have to be highly-trained
or experts, regardless of who may believe that incredibly complicted,
hard-to-use CADD systems coindicentally serve as a convenient means of
protecting ones 'domain' and maintaining the high value that's
typically placed on their skills.

The ultimate goal of ST is to allow those who consume our designs to
participate in the design process in new and much more interactive
ways that were not previously possible or practicle, due to the
barriers imposed by traditional CADD systems like SolidWorks,
Inventor, et.al.

Just as anyone can pick up a pencil and sketch out their ideas on
paper, we want anyone to be able to easily do the same with a
computer, in 3D, and with little or no training.

That's what emerging technolgies like ST are really about, and given
the aformentioned goals, one can also understand why some may regard
it as more of a threat, rather than merely a better, more productive
way of working."

.... Tony Tanzillo.

My response:

"Tony,

"But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture."

In my view a big part of the larger picture is using ST/Direct
Modeling to be able to manufacture product designs faster. Frankly,
I'm really sick of reading the endless nonsense on design intent. I
work for a very large company that has many seats of Pro-E and not one
engineer has ever asked our machine shop to preserve their design
intent. Their main interest seems to focus on one area... can they
have their parts today and how can we make their parts faster and
cheaper.

ST/Direct Modeling are the tools that machinists and CADCAM
programmers need to give designers and engineers their part in the
fastest possible time. Most of the CADCAM systems being used today
don't have powerful ST/Direct Modeling tools and most of the CAD in
CAM systems is very badly out of date an so far behind the times that
it's laughable.

Let’s make no mistake, NX 6 is the clear leader in providing a
complete solution for manufacturing as CoCreate has no CAM that runs
inside of it. PTC simply isn't anywhere near as good as Siemens at
creating fully integrated CADCAM systems. While PTC is buying out
companies and using others CAM technology Siemens is rolling their
own. I’d be happy to provide specific examples where NX has moved away
from industry standard software components and created their own
components in order to give the CADCAM user a better more integrated
solution."

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

 

Matt Lombard is too busy getting his ass handed to him to post here:

http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2008/12/matt-reviews-synchtech.html

"Matt - Thanks for that interesting view of ST from a SolidWorks
user's perspective.

But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture.

What ST and its peers will ultimately do is make CADD and CADD-like
functionality accessible to people that are not trained CADD operators
or experts like you - because they shouldn't have to be highly-trained
or experts, regardless of who may believe that incredibly complicted,
hard-to-use CADD systems coindicentally serve as a convenient means of
protecting ones 'domain' and maintaining the high value that's
typically placed on their skills.

The ultimate goal of ST is to allow those who consume our designs to
participate in the design process in new and much more interactive
ways that were not previously possible or practicle, due to the
barriers imposed by traditional CADD systems like SolidWorks,
Inventor, et.al.

Just as anyone can pick up a pencil and sketch out their ideas on
paper, we want anyone to be able to easily do the same with a
computer, in 3D, and with little or no training.

That's what emerging technolgies like ST are really about, and given
the aformentioned goals, one can also understand why some may regard
it as more of a threat, rather than merely a better, more productive
way of working."

.... Tony Tanzillo.

My response:

"Tony,

"But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture."

In my view a big part of the larger picture is using ST/Direct
Modeling to be able to manufacture product designs faster. Frankly,
I'm really sick of reading the endless nonsense on design intent. I
work for a very large company that has many seats of Pro-E and not one
engineer has ever asked our machine shop to preserve their design
intent. Their main interest seems to focus on one area... can they
have their parts today and how can we make their parts faster and
cheaper.

ST/Direct Modeling are the tools that machinists and CADCAM
programmers need to give designers and engineers their part in the
fastest possible time. Most of the CADCAM systems being used today
don't have powerful ST/Direct Modeling tools and most of the CAD in
CAM systems is very badly out of date an so far behind the times that
it's laughable.

Let’s make no mistake, NX 6 is the clear leader in providing a
complete solution for manufacturing as CoCreate has no CAM that runs
inside of it. PTC simply isn't anywhere near as good as Siemens at
creating fully integrated CADCAM systems. While PTC is buying out
companies and using others CAM technology Siemens is rolling their
own. I’d be happy to provide specific examples where NX has moved away
from industry standard software components and created their own
components in order to give the CADCAM user a better more integrated
solution."

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

 

Matt Lombard is too busy getting his ass handed to him to post here:

http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2008/12/matt-reviews-synchtech.html

"Matt - Thanks for that interesting view of ST from a SolidWorks
user's perspective.

But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture.

What ST and its peers will ultimately do is make CADD and CADD-like
functionality accessible to people that are not trained CADD operators
or experts like you - because they shouldn't have to be highly-trained
or experts, regardless of who may believe that incredibly complicted,
hard-to-use CADD systems coindicentally serve as a convenient means of
protecting ones 'domain' and maintaining the high value that's
typically placed on their skills.

The ultimate goal of ST is to allow those who consume our designs to
participate in the design process in new and much more interactive
ways that were not previously possible or practicle, due to the
barriers imposed by traditional CADD systems like SolidWorks,
Inventor, et.al.

Just as anyone can pick up a pencil and sketch out their ideas on
paper, we want anyone to be able to easily do the same with a
computer, in 3D, and with little or no training.

That's what emerging technolgies like ST are really about, and given
the aformentioned goals, one can also understand why some may regard
it as more of a threat, rather than merely a better, more productive
way of working."

.... Tony Tanzillo.

My response:

"Tony,

"But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture."

In my view a big part of the larger picture is using ST/Direct
Modeling to be able to manufacture product designs faster. Frankly,
I'm really sick of reading the endless nonsense on design intent. I
work for a very large company that has many seats of Pro-E and not one
engineer has ever asked our machine shop to preserve their design
intent. Their main interest seems to focus on one area... can they
have their parts today and how can we make their parts faster and
cheaper.

ST/Direct Modeling are the tools that machinists and CADCAM
programmers need to give designers and engineers their part in the
fastest possible time. Most of the CADCAM systems being used today
don't have powerful ST/Direct Modeling tools and most of the CAD in
CAM systems is very badly out of date an so far behind the times that
it's laughable.

Let’s make no mistake, NX 6 is the clear leader in providing a
complete solution for manufacturing as CoCreate has no CAM that runs
inside of it. PTC simply isn't anywhere near as good as Siemens at
creating fully integrated CADCAM systems. While PTC is buying out
companies and using others CAM technology Siemens is rolling their
own. I’d be happy to provide specific examples where NX has moved away
from industry standard software components and created their own
components in order to give the CADCAM user a better more integrated
solution."

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

 

So SE is a pretty good CAM program, is it?
Show us some of YOUR work using it.

 

Surveys show that at least 95% of the time what the customer
paid for and what the shop agreed to provide is what they wanted.
Not a brick with a hack-N-whack job by some clueless moron.
They call that "scrap" (a technical term you don't grasp).

 

You don't have a clue.

BTW, Why are YOUR firm's engineers & designers using it?
We know that you can't & don't.
-
Cliff

 

But YOU repeatedly said that "components" are THE wave
of the future AND that ParaSolid was junk & that ASCIS was THE
way !!!

BTW, What happened to 3dinkies?

 

Matt Lombard is too busy getting his ass handed to him to post here:

http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2008/12/matt-reviews-synchtech.html

"Matt - Thanks for that interesting view of ST from a SolidWorks
user's perspective.

But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture.

What ST and its peers will ultimately do is make CADD and CADD-like
functionality accessible to people that are not trained CADD operators
or experts like you - because they shouldn't have to be highly-trained
or experts, regardless of who may believe that incredibly complicted,
hard-to-use CADD systems coindicentally serve as a convenient means of
protecting ones 'domain' and maintaining the high value that's
typically placed on their skills.

The ultimate goal of ST is to allow those who consume our designs to
participate in the design process in new and much more interactive
ways that were not previously possible or practicle, due to the
barriers imposed by traditional CADD systems like SolidWorks,
Inventor, et.al.

Just as anyone can pick up a pencil and sketch out their ideas on
paper, we want anyone to be able to easily do the same with a
computer, in 3D, and with little or no training.

That's what emerging technolgies like ST are really about, and given
the aformentioned goals, one can also understand why some may regard
it as more of a threat, rather than merely a better, more productive
way of working."

.... Tony Tanzillo.

My response:

"Tony,

"But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture."

In my view a big part of the larger picture is using ST/Direct
Modeling to be able to manufacture product designs faster. Frankly,
I'm really sick of reading the endless nonsense on design intent. I
work for a very large company that has many seats of Pro-E and not one
engineer has ever asked our machine shop to preserve their design
intent. Their main interest seems to focus on one area... can they
have their parts today and how can we make their parts faster and
cheaper.

ST/Direct Modeling are the tools that machinists and CADCAM
programmers need to give designers and engineers their part in the
fastest possible time. Most of the CADCAM systems being used today
don't have powerful ST/Direct Modeling tools and most of the CAD in
CAM systems is very badly out of date an so far behind the times that
it's laughable.

Let’s make no mistake, NX 6 is the clear leader in providing a
complete solution for manufacturing as CoCreate has no CAM that runs
inside of it. PTC simply isn't anywhere near as good as Siemens at
creating fully integrated CADCAM systems. While PTC is buying out
companies and using others CAM technology Siemens is rolling their
own. I’d be happy to provide specific examples where NX has moved away
from industry standard software components and created their own
components in order to give the CADCAM user a better more integrated
solution."

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

 

Matt Lombard is too busy getting his ass handed to him to post here:

http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2008/12/matt-reviews-synchtech.html

"Matt - Thanks for that interesting view of ST from a SolidWorks
user's perspective.

But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture.

What ST and its peers will ultimately do is make CADD and CADD-like
functionality accessible to people that are not trained CADD operators
or experts like you - because they shouldn't have to be highly-trained
or experts, regardless of who may believe that incredibly complicted,
hard-to-use CADD systems coindicentally serve as a convenient means of
protecting ones 'domain' and maintaining the high value that's
typically placed on their skills.

The ultimate goal of ST is to allow those who consume our designs to
participate in the design process in new and much more interactive
ways that were not previously possible or practicle, due to the
barriers imposed by traditional CADD systems like SolidWorks,
Inventor, et.al.

Just as anyone can pick up a pencil and sketch out their ideas on
paper, we want anyone to be able to easily do the same with a
computer, in 3D, and with little or no training.

That's what emerging technolgies like ST are really about, and given
the aformentioned goals, one can also understand why some may regard
it as more of a threat, rather than merely a better, more productive
way of working."

.... Tony Tanzillo.

My response:

"Tony,

"But, with regards to that technology, I think you and others in this
conversation are not be seeing the larger picture."

In my view a big part of the larger picture is using ST/Direct
Modeling to be able to manufacture product designs faster. Frankly,
I'm really sick of reading the endless nonsense on design intent. I
work for a very large company that has many seats of Pro-E and not one
engineer has ever asked our machine shop to preserve their design
intent. Their main interest seems to focus on one area... can they
have their parts today and how can we make their parts faster and
cheaper.

ST/Direct Modeling are the tools that machinists and CADCAM
programmers need to give designers and engineers their part in the
fastest possible time. Most of the CADCAM systems being used today
don't have powerful ST/Direct Modeling tools and most of the CAD in
CAM systems is very badly out of date an so far behind the times that
it's laughable.

Let’s make no mistake, NX 6 is the clear leader in providing a
complete solution for manufacturing as CoCreate has no CAM that runs
inside of it. PTC simply isn't anywhere near as good as Siemens at
creating fully integrated CADCAM systems. While PTC is buying out
companies and using others CAM technology Siemens is rolling their
own. I’d be happy to provide specific examples where NX has moved away
from industry standard software components and created their own
components in order to give the CADCAM user a better more integrated
solution."

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/