Mixed-signal simulation speed-up with Cadence

Discussion in 'Cadence' started by Alexey Borodenkov, Apr 9, 2004.

  1. Hi all!

    I've been designing a multi-bit sigma-delta modulator and now I am
    testing its performance with Element Selection Logic (modified Data
    Weighted Averaging (DWA) in my case). The circuits in the DWA are
    digital - log shifter, counter, regs etc. Right now I have added just
    the 16-bit log shifter to the schematics (the only part of DWA that is
    in the feedback signal path). However the simulation time in Spectre
    has increase dramatically - from 8 to 15 hours for 2.5k points.

    I've heard from Mentor Graphics that it is possible to separate
    digital and analog parts in ELDO and use different precision for them,
    thus speeding up the simulations. Is it possible to do something like
    that with Cadence tools??
    Or maybe it would be reasonable to use AHDL models for digital parts??

    A more general question - are there any ways for fast simulations of
    sigma-delta loops?? I have read Ken Kundert's paper at
    www.designers-guide.com about noise estimation of modulator using
    SpectreRF PSS techniques, but as far as I understood, this methodology
    can only estimate the noise floor in the output PSD due to devices
    noise and not harmonic distortion. For me it is important to see THD
    and SFDR because of input switches non-linearity.
     
    Alexey Borodenkov, Apr 9, 2004
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  2. Alexey Borodenkov

    Partha Guest

    You can do many different wonderful things with Cadence's Ultrasim
    simulator. It is a fastmos simulator. This handles different accuracy
    / simulation speed tradeoff levels, uses a table based look up
    algorithm, and also circuits could be selectively partitioned using
    the Hierarchy editor. This could be driven to spice (spectre) like
    accuracy trading off on speed, or selectively circuit blocks could be
    given different accuracy levels.

    Also this gels well into Cadence Analog Design Environment as just
    another simulator option. We have seen 10:1 speed difference with
    spectre with reasonable trade off on accuracy.

    We have also evaluated this simulator with a another competing fastmos
    simulator and found this to be better by a long way..

    Partha
     
    Partha, Apr 10, 2004
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  3. You can do many different wonderful things with Cadence's Ultrasim
    Thanks, I believe this tool could be really useful in my case. But
    since I am i the University communicating with our system group is
    always painful :(
    Perhaps we simply do not have it.. At least I have not found it in the
    list od licenses. Is it a part of Cadence ic5.xx or a separate
    product?

    Regards, Alex
     
    Alexey Borodenkov, Apr 10, 2004
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  4. Alexey Borodenkov

    Partha Guest

    This is a seperate simulator, does not come with ic5
     
    Partha, Apr 11, 2004
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