mass property and COG

Discussion in 'Pro/Engineer & Creo Elements/Pro' started by solid3ddesigns, Sep 3, 2004.

  1. Can someone advise on how to apply a mass and a center of gravity to a
    imported assembly (STEP) consisting of a few hundred parts. I don't
    want to individually apply a material to each component.

    Thanks in advance.
    HB
     
    solid3ddesigns, Sep 3, 2004
    #1
  2. solid3ddesigns

    David Janes Guest

    : Can someone advise on how to apply a mass and a center of gravity to a
    : imported assembly (STEP) consisting of a few hundred parts. I don't
    : want to individually apply a material to each component.
    :

    If all of the parts just happened to be the same material or at least their
    densities were close, the only problem would be getting the hundreds of parts to
    act as a single part. You could do this by creating a shrink wrap model or
    possibly, by importing the STEP file as a part instead of an assembly. In both
    case I think you can make a merged solid to which you can apply a material or at
    least a density and do a model mass properties analysis. It would be nice though
    to have a check, like knowing the actual weight. If the mass calculation is within
    5% of measured weight, the cog should be very close, as well. If you need to get
    closer to measured weight, adjust the density number.

    This might also work where some of the component densities vary greatly from an
    average. Before making the shrink wrap, suppress the components with extreme
    densities and just apply density to then separately. You'd cut down the work
    compared to doing them all individually.

    David Janes
     
    David Janes, Sep 3, 2004
    #2
  3. Thanks for your reply. The imported parts are of multiple materials,
    but I know the mass of the imported assembly and I know where the
    center of gravity (COG) is located. I want to apply these properties
    to the imported assembly so that I can determine the mass and COG of
    the complete assembly consisting of all my components and the imported
    assembly, but I just don't know how to do it. Any information would
    be greatly apprecieted.
    HB
     
    solid3ddesigns, Sep 6, 2004
    #3
  4. solid3ddesigns

    David Janes Guest

    : Thanks for your reply. The imported parts are of multiple materials,
    : but I know the mass of the imported assembly and I know where the
    : center of gravity (COG) is located. I want to apply these properties
    : to the imported assembly so that I can determine the mass and COG of
    : the complete assembly consisting of all my components and the imported
    : assembly, but I just don't know how to do it. Any information would
    : be greatly apprecieted.
    : HB
    :
    You can record mass property values in a part/assembly with 'Edit>Setup>Mass
    props'. If there is any material assigned, you should remove it first. Also, as
    much as possible, make sure the assembly components use consistent units; it just
    makes life easier when units are consistent through all levels. The Setup Mass
    Props input box hass four sections; about half are greyed out. If you change the
    default Source from Geometry to Geometry and Parameters, two of the input sections
    are activated, the two you actually need, Density and Actions. Density, in the
    case of an assembly, will be average density or a simple calculation of weight
    divided by volume. The volume is obtained by a model analysis; the weight I think
    you said you know. To give the assembly some numbers for mass without assigning it
    a material and to input cog, go to the Actions section and pick Edit. This gives
    you three additional tabs to input the rest of the known mass properties. I'm not
    sure, but since it allows you to input mass and volume, it may actually calculate
    the density for you. The second tabbed page gives you input lines for x, y and z
    values for cog that reference some assembly coordinate system.

    Now you can do an analysis on the top level assembly and use the values from the
    subassembly. It will interrupt the calculation to ask how you want to treat the
    subassembly with the input mass props. You have a choice between Assign or
    Calculate. Leave it on the default Assign and hit Close. It will generate the
    usual Mass Props analysis, including average density, mass, volume and surface
    area plus assign the whole thing a cog. Record the cog and try it again, this time
    selecting Calculate for the imported assembly. The cog should shift as the one you
    input in Mass Props will be ignored.

    David Janes


    : > : Can someone advise on how to apply a mass and a center of gravity to a
    : > : imported assembly (STEP) consisting of a few hundred parts. I don't
    : > : want to individually apply a material to each component.
    : > :
    : >
    : > If all of the parts just happened to be the same material or at least their
    : > densities were close, the only problem would be getting the hundreds of parts
    to
    : > act as a single part. You could do this by creating a shrink wrap model or
    : > possibly, by importing the STEP file as a part instead of an assembly. In both
    : > case I think you can make a merged solid to which you can apply a material or
    at
    : > least a density and do a model mass properties analysis. It would be nice
    though
    : > to have a check, like knowing the actual weight. If the mass calculation is
    within
    : > 5% of measured weight, the cog should be very close, as well. If you need to
    get
    : > closer to measured weight, adjust the density number.
    : >
    : > This might also work where some of the component densities vary greatly from
    an
    : > average. Before making the shrink wrap, suppress the components with extreme
    : > densities and just apply density to then separately. You'd cut down the work
    : > compared to doing them all individually.
    : >
    : > David Janes
     
    David Janes, Sep 6, 2004
    #4
  5. Thanks for your response, David, you've been very helpfull ! Looks
    like it's working now. Is there a way to display the COG on the model
    ?

    Thanks again,
    HB
     
    solid3ddesigns, Sep 8, 2004
    #5
  6. solid3ddesigns

    David Janes Guest

    : Is there a way to display the COG on the model?

    Yes, the analysis you did can be captured in a feature which stays with the model.
    When you are at the point of doing the top level analysis, go to 'Insert>Datum
    feature>Datum Analysis'. Pick Model Analysis/Next and Compute/Done. You can now
    concretize any or all of the values of the analysis as parameters by simply
    picking the analysis from the list and clicking the radio button for Yes. To get
    the COG, click Next again and specify either a CS or Point to identify the COG.

    Because this is added to the model as a feature, it remains in the model and
    continues to be visible, unless blanked with a layer.

    David Janes
     
    David Janes, Sep 8, 2004
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