Okay folks here is what happens 1. Everything works the way it is documented to work in Autocad 2002. 2. The Acaddoc.lsp is ignored in two different installations of 2004 if it is in the drawing directory OR if it is in the Autocad support directory. 3. The Acaddoc2004.lsp is loaded whether it is on the search path or in the drawing directory. Only if a line of code is added at the bottom '(load "acaddoc.lsp") then the acaddoc lisp will load following the correct search order. 4. The acad.mnl will only load with the acad.mns, mnr, mnc files and they will only load from the user profile folder. (both XP and 2000) What is needed here is for a user to open a drawing in a specific directory and the lisp programs will load because when one of these drawings are opened, these are the programs you will need to work on this type of drawing. Different directories have other types of drawings that will require a different set of programs to work on them. What would make Autocad not perform the way it was documented? Anybody? Is anyone from Autodesk monitoring this?