Hi As a newbee in programming please forgive the questions. 1. What is the difference between lisp and vlisp. 2. Where can I get the Autodesk Lisp tutorials (2002 only has the vlisp tutorials. 3. Is there any good online guides. 4. How long roughly would it take to start creating 'basic' programs I have been a user of AutoCAD for over 14 years, have had experience in Menu creating, and other basic customising but thought I should now learn how to program as I no longer want to be "just a drafter" Thanks in advance for your advice Tracey Jones