Hello, I posted the wrong question late the other night. What i really want is to find a program i have seen that is an example of emulating a VB program with VBA This program allows you to interface with autocad with the userform still displayed on the screen. I have several programs that present the user with various design information that need to interface with autocad at times, at other times just need to reference. It would really help if the user could flip back and forth between the acad window and the User Form (which remains open, or is behind ) Of course i know i can show or hide the form under program control, but this program i saw somewhere allows it to be on the same level with the acad window... maybe by accessing the windows API? Thanks in advance for any response.. jm