Knob interference

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by m, Apr 1, 2007.

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    m Guest

    I'm designing a simple knob for a potentiometer with a 1/4 inch round
    shaft (no slots or cuts at all). It will be injection molded out of
    ABS.

    Can anyone suggest how the hole should be sized in order for the knob
    to stay on the shaft and not slip with normal use? The hole in the
    knob has four small ribs (about 0.025in wide) that are the points of
    contact with the shafts outer surface. Due to draft I currently have
    about 0.010in of interference about 0.2 in before the shaft bottoms
    against the stop. Is that enough?

    Thanks,

    -Martin
     
    m, Apr 1, 2007
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    That70sTick Guest

    I don't have an exact answer. Having "crushable" features like ribs
    should buy you a lot of latitude.

    Otherwise, "Stay Steel Safe". (or, "you can Always Add plastic").
    Start with your features on the smal side and the mold can be cut to
    add plastic if you need it.
     
    That70sTick, Apr 1, 2007
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    m Guest

    "Stay Steel Safe". (or, "you can Always Add plastic").
    Very good point. I'll keep that in mind.

    -M
     
    m, Apr 1, 2007
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    Bo Guest

    By my similar use of such intereferences, I would say that .005" per
    rib on that diameter would be more reliably and less likely to want to
    shear the ribs.

    As a rough gage of interference, A safe bet would start with 4% strain
    on a .25" diameter that is .010" on diameter. Given that they are
    ribs, they will not put a lot of stress on the hub. With some other
    experience, you might go higher interference, but I don't know the
    types of loads and potential for creep & loosening over time, etc.


    Since the ribs take ALL the strain (practically speaking the hub will
    take very little) the ribs are going to go beyond the yield point of
    the plastic, so you wind up learning by experience on this part.

    Bo
     
    Bo, Apr 1, 2007
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    John H Guest

    That's a sackable offence round here....
     
    John H, Apr 2, 2007
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  6. Get a grip!

    But seriously ...

    If the potentiometer shaft-end is sharp, it will shear off the grip-ribs
    instead of crushing them. Another problem is that if the knob has a
    pointer to indicate the setting, there is no correlation between the
    shaft (pot.) position & knob. If the pot is frequently adjusted, there
    is also a risk that the knob will loosen over time - at which point
    someone usually grabs the nearest tube of cyanoacrylate!!

    Tradiitonally, a grubscrew or flatted shaft with a 'D'-shaped hole in
    the knob (with or without spring-clip) is the more reliable way to go.
    Splitting the shaft-boss in the knob & fitting a wire clip is also a tried
    & true way of making the knob a reliable push-fit ...

    Rick.
     
    R.H. \(Rick\) Mason, Apr 2, 2007
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    m Guest

    Tradiitonally
    <snip>

    I'm having a few variants 3D printed in ABS in order to better
    understand how to do this.

    Thanks,

    -M
     
    m, Apr 3, 2007
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    Bo Guest

    I have actually just done a few 3D rapid prototypes with external
    splines on about a .25" OD, though used in a slightly different way.

    What I found out using STL and the 3D Systems Accura grades is that I
    had to use the Accura 25 grade which is the most flexible they make to
    try the spline use trials.

    In the end I found that the small thin splines would easily fracture
    and strip, as the particle to particle structure integrity of STL
    parts is not anywhere what a molded part has, so I could not judge the
    end function very well from the STL parts.

    I had to mold actual parts to judge the final size and shape of the
    splines for my particular use.

    Bo
     
    Bo, Apr 3, 2007
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