Blocking and replying to your questions/answers: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Bulatovich" <> Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: Re: issues with v14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- from above: I am in modelspace.....tile is grayed out in the tool bar so tile mode is supposed to be off, But; if I click on tile mode which grays out the modelmode I only have tilemode objects left on the screen which are still in the exact same position as they were when I was in modelmode except the other viewport objects have gone away. I think we are really having touble with how I say things and how you picture them in your mind. I hope we can clear this up so you have a clear picture in your mind of what is going on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There was never any problem with my understanding of what paperspace and modelspace are supposed to do. Only with what model space is actually doing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- again; the ports are doing exactly what I expect normally except that when I draw in say viewport one I also get a drawing on my screen that is not in viewport 2 (although it is also in viewport 2) but the object drawn is on the screen as if I had drawn it in tile mode and the tile mode is greyed out and shoudn't be displaying (but it is) so what do I do from here to get the drawn object to only show up in the viewports and not be displayed as if I am in tile mode. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is why I have come to the newsgroup.......because I have read everything that I can on paperspace and plotting and haven't been able to discover where I am going astray and hope that somebody can say something that will click in my mind and then I will understand what it is that I am doing wrong and I will be back to where I was last week before all this problem cropped up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Again......Thank you very much for your efforts to help me figure this out. Thanks Mike
We *are* having semantic problems. My mistake. I meant to say that *paperspace* objects only appear in (you don't draw *in* tile mode. you draw in mspace or pspace. tilemode is merely a 'switch'.) (tilemode can not be 'displayed'. pspace can, and mspace can.) If I understand correctly, it sounds like you have overlapping floating viewports, but don't know it, because you are zoomed in too tight. Try the following from the command line: TILEMODE>>0 PSPACE>> ZOOM>>EXTENTS MSPACE>> Now try the CONTROL-R key-combo a few times. As you do the cursor will appear trapped within one vport at a time, cycling through the ports. Is there a big one there you were unaware of? If so delete it, and your 'problem' will probably go with it.
apparently (sorry that I don't explain things very well)!! Apparently I have been drawing in tilemode not sure what problems that is going to cause me in the future. BUT....tilemode is in fact displayed......when I go to tilemode all the paperspace and modelspace lines/text goes away and all I have is my drawing to deal with (nothing but a blank black screen) so that is where I have been doing my drawing. Every/all my zoom, pan and drawing functions seem to work just fine. THAT WAS EXACTLY MY PROBLEM!!!! THANKS MichaelB!!!! Now on to my other problem.........Plotting When I have a drawing and I do a print preview the drawing is miniscule on the page. What I am doing is loading the ANSI A template. If I do nothing and go to paperspace and then do a print preview the drawing is tiny on the page and prints exactly as it is previewed.......how do I get it to fill the page as it should? Thanks Mike
I'm glad your problem is resolved, but see below: The fact that modelspace can be viewed with TILEMODE on or off causes some difficulty in talking about paperspace/modelspace issues. TILEMODE only determines whether paperspace can be viewed in your port. Its incorrect IMHO to think of it as a "place" you can "go". When it's on you can see only one "place": modelspace. Your viewports have to 'tile' within the main viewport (screen). When it's off you can see paperspace, and *if* you have floating viewports turned on, you can see some or all of modelspace within the ports. The ports *don't* have to tile, and the space between them is paperspace. It's tempting to say that when TILEMODE is off that "I'm *in* paperspace", but that ain't necessarily so. The "current space" can be either Paper or Model with TILEMODE off, so TILEMODE by itself is not a place but rather determines a 'condition'. Your UCSICON can tell you what space you are "in", as can the STATUS command. While annoying to many, I think that a good dose of careful pedantry when remotely discussing CAD avoids a lot of frustrating confusion, and I highly recommend it. You can take it too far of course, but that isn't the usual problem. Most of the confusion comes from imprecision.
MichaelB Thanks again for your help. I still don't fully understand why I can't or shouldn't draw in Tilemode. I realize that I only see the object that I am drawing and am not sure that I actually need to see two or more viewports at the same time (usually). Drawing in tilemode for me gets rid of everything except the object that I am drawing on (no borders to look at and distract me or other drawing views and the plus for me is that the object is filling the full screen). I have to admit that I have no formal training in AutoCAD and really need to be educated as to why I should be doing my drawings in modelmode using viewports. The way that I understand it is that tilemode is where the object it in reality, modelmode is where you have viewports so that you can see your object in different views and paperspace is where you look at it so you can make it print on the page exactly as you want it orientated. I think that maybe, if you would like, we could continue the discussion off the newsgroup so as not to clutter the newsgroup with such trivial discussions of issues that really don't concern anybody else except me. If so we can continue via email. Thanks Mike
Go back and re-read the previous responses. There is no such thing as "drawing in tilemode." TILEMODE is a setting, that places you either in Model Space (TILEMODE = 1) or Paper Space (TILEMODE = 0). You can draw either in Model Space, or Paper Space, but Model Space is intended for the bulk of your work (i.e., your CAD "Model" of your project), while Paper Space is intended only for objects that will appear on your printed output (the "Paper"); this, of course, includes floating VIEWPORTS, which are analogous to "ports" through which you are able to "view" your Model. If that concept still escapes you, then perhaps it's time to find something else to do with your time. ___
Oh, and I should add, when you're discussing topics like AutoCAD you need to act as if you know a little of the correct jargon. Many of the terms you use ("modelmode" for example) have no meaning, and the way you use them just underscores our growing opinion that you don't understand even the most basic concepts. This makes it extremely difficult for anyone to help you with your difficulties. ___
Thanks Paul I am getting there. I understand now that I am drawing in Model Space but only using one viewport (my screen). Please excuse my ignorance....I am indeed unskilled in AutoCAD. I have lots of time (retired) and am trying to draw some preliminary drawings of what I want for a house to retire in. I am reading, playing and asking questions in hopes that this will become easier as I progress and get me where I want. What I hope to accomplish is to have 2D working drawings using multiple layers that can be placed in the hands of a competent draftsman (AutoCAD) designer so that he/she has a good working drawing of exactly what it is that I want. I don't think I want to mess too much with paperspace as I only have a DeskJet printer and cannot plot to architectural size of paper. Although I would like to be able to print things on my printer in paperspace and then erase paperspace and create a new paperspace that shows/plots to architectural paper for submittal to building inspectors to attain permits to build said building. Again I plead much ignorance and no training, but please bear with me as I attempt to learn. Thanks Mike
you don't need to erase paperspace, you can copy the titleblock & floating viewports as many times as you like
