when examining a block with tblnext, assoc 70 isn't telling me if it's loaded or unloaded. the following xref is unloaded: ((0 . "BLOCK") (2 . "X_aFlor-Floor01") (70 . 12) (4 . "") (10 0.0 0.0 0.0) (1 . "..\a-Plans\X_aFlor-Floor01.dwg") (-2 . <Entity name: 7e39c360>)) help states that 4 = This block is an external reference (xref) 8 = This block is an xref overlay anyone have a suggestion? thanks daron